wiring and future-proofing my new home

Discussion in 'Home Networking' started by Rob Morley, Sep 9, 2004.

  1. Rob Morley

    Rob Morley Guest


    says...
    At least one double wallplate (that's a socket, not a plug) in each
    room, maybe a couple on opposite walls. And it's a good idea to run
    more cables than you need at the moment and just leave them unterminated
    in the wall - cable is cheap.
    No point using less than Cat6. I'm not sure you can even easily find
    Cat5 anymore - everything has been Cat5e for a while now.
    Probably a bit expensive to install fibre unless you know you're going
    to use it.
    Structured cabling runs everything to a central point (like the cupboard
    under the stairs) and uses patch panels to connect cables together as
    needed.
    Make sure your instructions are good then :) Have a look at some
    websites (I just Googled these - they look like the right sort of thing
    but I only glanced at them, some may be a bit dated:

    http://www.broadbandhomecentral.com/structured.html
    http://www.home-automation-solutions.co.uk/ht_docs/structured-cabling-
    wiring.shtml
    http://www.quantometrix.com/wiring.htm
    http://www.combsnet.com/cable/
    )

    If you're still unsure of design and installation requirements after
    reading a bit it might be better to use a specialised contractor who
    offers a design and install service. I'd be a bit dubious of using a
    sparky who wasn't familiar with the specific requirements of network
    installation, and didn't have the right test equipment - there's not
    much point saving money at this stage if you find that the installation
    doesn't perform to spec or meet your requirements a couple of years down
    the line.
     
    Rob Morley, Sep 9, 2004
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  2. Rob Morley

    Mutley Guest

    "Ashirus"
    <>
    wrote in message

    You're better off going wireless...
    much easier and no cables to lay.

    Mutely.
     
    Mutley, Sep 9, 2004
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  3. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    Hi. I just bought my new house (2 story semi-detached in North West London)
    and I want to wire it up so that i'll be able to easily network 3-4
    computers around the house when we move in. from my rudementary computing
    knowledge, i'm guessing i just need to run a bunch of cat5 cables between
    the rooms, each ending with an RJ45 plug. The thing is, i will want the
    fastest network available and will want to upgrade this to a faster network
    in years to come.

    Assuming that for now i will using gigabit ethanet, will cat5 suffice?

    Is there any point in installing fibre-optic (if so, how does gigabit
    ethanet interface with fibre-optic)?

    Does it make a differance where my server or router will be or if i'll have
    a peer-to-peer networking?

    ps-the electrician doing up the house doesn't have much knowledge of
    networking, so will be relying on my instructions

    THANKS
    ASHIRUS
     
    Ashirus, Sep 9, 2004
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  4. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    <sigh> didn't I ask about cabling a house that's being refurbished? you
    don't *have* to reply just because you won a keyboard!

    the point of wireless is for big open spaces, between office blocks or when
    a building is in place and it's too hard to install cabling.

    No-one denies laying cable when you can (as in my case where I'm already
    wiring and refurbishing the house) is far better. How can you can compare
    the 25Kbps of even Wifi 54G with Gigabit wired ethernet?

    Wireless in homes (especially on two stories) causes endless problems with
    interference, the added cost. The best way is definitely to install cabling
    first, and then afterwards maybe a access point near the garden for wireless
    roaming.
     
    Ashirus, Sep 9, 2004
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  5. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    Thanks a lot, see below inline for questions, please:

    double wallplate? two sockets?
    k. thanks.
    Anything more future proof than Cat6? How much is Cat6 a metre? (yard?
    foot?)

    What do I look out for in Cat6? They're all the same? What do I look out for
    in particular?
    So when is FO used?
    Does that mean all cables from both upstairs and downstairs, even from
    adjoining rooms, go to one point?
    I can be pretty certain that the server will be downstairs in the main room
    and all other machines upstairs and downstairs will be clients of it.
     
    Ashirus, Sep 9, 2004
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  6. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    And what's this I'm now learning about Cat7?

    Will all this cabling be out of date in a few years much as Cat6 is for real
    gigabit now?

    Is Fibre-obtic futureproof?

    "Ashirus"
     
    Ashirus, Sep 9, 2004
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  7. Rob Morley

    Rob Morley Guest


    says...
    At least - if you don't use it for data you can use it for a 'phone or
    something.
    Cat7? I don't think that's an official standard yet though, although
    some suppliers are selling stuff they call Cat7.
    20p/metre when you buy a 305m roll - if you look hard enough you can
    find it for half that or less. The actual cost of cable is probably the
    smallest part of your budget, hence the advice to run two even if you
    think you'll only need one.
    It should all be pretty much the same - that's what standards are for
    :)
    Usually industrial server applications or between buildings.
    Yes - that generally offers maximum flexibility, as you can just patch
    any cables together that you want connecting. Normally you'd have your
    master phone socket, broadband connection and network switch in the
    wiring closet - everything else radiates from there.
    If you cable for that it will still be flexible, but do you really want
    switches, routers and patch panels in the living room? In fact do you
    really want a server in your living room? Lots of fast storage is going
    to be quite noisy, and probably better tucked away somewhere it doesn't
    matter - also probably better from a security POV. I'd rather have a
    small entertainment system in the living room, and a server in the
    cupboard or loft.
     
    Rob Morley, Sep 9, 2004
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    Zontag Guest

    Even standard 100mbs 100baseT over cat5e will give more than enough
    bandwidth for any kind streaming multimedia for years to come and ADSL
    internet connections although they will get faster than they are
    currently are limited by the technology used to less than a tenth of
    that. At the present using cat 6 to full potential bandwidth capacity
    is just a bit too iffy although there is nothing to stop you installing
    cat 6 wiring and running it at 100mbs. Fibre optics presents to many
    problems.

    Remember to install the wiring so it can be easily upgraded.
    From experience of wiring up many domestic style buildings I would
    sugest wiring upstairs rooms down from the loft space. Built in
    wardrobes and cupboards can be very usefull for concealling cables and
    the patch panel. Getting the wirng neatly from ground to 1st floor can
    present problems unless the design of the house makes it easy for you it
    might be easier/neater to drop it down the outside of the building.

    Use wall sockets to termminate the wiring use a proper metal blade
    "punchdown tool" to make the connections. For rj45 wall sockets "Krone"
    is regarded as the best manufacturer.
     
    Zontag, Sep 9, 2004
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  9. Rob Morley

    THe NuTTeR Guest

    Basically, the only advice I have is to install as many sockets
    (normally double, data+phone for example) as you can. In as many rooms
    as you can.
    Someone suggested running cables outside. According to the specs, this
    is a no-no, however I know of 2 installs where it works fine. Best keep
    it inside if you can tho.
    Run all cables to a central point. Get the master phone socket installed
    in the same place and get a set (6 or 8, always do more than you need)
    patch panel phone points to connect to outlets around the home.
    Put a double gang backbox (4 sockets) behind where you think the TV will
    go (games console, media streaming from network storage, TiVo type
    devices that use broadband to get channel listings, etc)
    Basically, work out what you think you will use, and then multiply by 4!
    Its always easier and cheaper to put much more in than you think you
    need in the first place than to try and add more later. If you can, run
    the cables in channeling such that the existing cable can be used as a
    draw string for any cabling you have future need to replace it with.
    Also, it may be a thought to run coax (TV, video, satellite) with or
    near the data cabling to allow for extra functionality (TV tuner cards
    maybe?) If you do, I would reccomend using satellite style 'F'
    connectors (screw connection) and running an (or the main) aerial point
    to the central hub, and then putting a multi port amplifier in to split
    the signal.
    You should be able to get everything you need from
    www.ardelectronics.com, although the website is hard work, if you have
    time, get the printed catalogue and work out what you need.
    Oh, and when you get the modular sockets, stay away from keystone, the
    small size makes them hard work, get the full size stuff.
    Hope some of this has been useful
    G


    "Ashirus"
    <snip question>
     
    THe NuTTeR, Sep 10, 2004
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  10. Rob Morley

    colin. Guest

    "Ashirus"
    <>
    wrote in message
    | <sigh> didn't I ask about cabling a house that's being refurbished? you
    | don't *have* to reply just because you won a keyboard!

    And you don't have to act like a dick just because you have one. It will
    not encourage people to help you out. It didn't encourage me, heh.
     
    colin., Sep 10, 2004
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  11. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    Why, what would have been your words of wisdom

    osrry to all. it's just that there's always people who reply for th esake of
    it and it drives people off the point which is all very nice for others but
    not for the questionairre who gets usually just one other answer.

    If a post gets more than one reply, statisically very few people post
    further, whereas if it only gets one reply or so then people will answer
    after only a few days.

    i've had many qu.'s ignored because most of the replies are pointless and
    just make people assume its been dealt with.

    then again if a post has many replies it encourages more people to browse
    the thread but pointless replies just cause problems.

    just my two cents. been meaning to flame off about this for years!
     
    Ashirus, Sep 10, 2004
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  12. Rob Morley

    Ashirus Guest

    thanks a lot: see inline for qu.'s

    keh? a double gang backbox is what exactly? just a four socket box or
    something more complicated. do four cables then run from it to the central
    switch?
    keystone meaning small sized sockets? and you use cables ending with mini
    connectors?
     
    Ashirus, Sep 10, 2004
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  13. Rob Morley

    Rob Morley Guest


    says...
    Same size as a double 13 Amp socket - you can get more than four sockets
    on the faceplate if you need to, and each one would want its own cable
    (might as well run a spare one or two just in case).
    The connectors are standard size, but the modules are a bit fiddly to
    handle when fitting.
     
    Rob Morley, Sep 10, 2004
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    Dave Stanton Guest

    I seem to remember on this ng, reading about a sparky who used his own
    version of cat wiring, caused a lot of confusion. Worth bearing in mind,
    some electricians now make a point of data cabeling in their adverts.

    Dave
     
    Dave Stanton, Sep 10, 2004
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  15. Rob Morley

    THe NuTTeR Guest

    Never known a face plate that size to take more than 4 "1/2" modules
    They have the same size socket on them, but made of much less plastic.
    So hard to hold and punch down on, plus they need extra mountings when
    fitted to a standard size patress box.
    There are kits that include a box, a front surround, and the snap in
    sockets. B&Q sell the exact same things as ARD (see previous post) for
    much much more. ARD normally ship next day too.
     
    THe NuTTeR, Sep 10, 2004
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  16. Rob Morley

    Zontag Guest

    I wouldn't install too many cables two network cables to each main room
    is more than enough --- In the if more are require "Y" splitters can be
    used at each end which in effect turn each Cat5e cable into two.

    With the comming of digital cordless phones phone extension sockets are
    a thing of the only put them where you require a fax, TV decoder or or
    modem with the comming of digital cordless phones phone extensions are
    a thing of the past.
    If you get ADSL via BT phone line, lot of extensions on the phone line
    aren't a good idea the best way is to use a master socket face plate
    with filter built in, this splits the adsl signal off before the phone
    extensions, then either put the router adjacent to the phone master
    socket or connect it to the route via a cat5e cable.
     
    Zontag, Sep 11, 2004
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  17. Rob Morley

    Zontag Guest

    THe NuTTeR wrote:

    snip
    The sockets B&Q sell aren't great quality, the connections are ok but
    the box and surround is pretty poor -- but they do the job I have a
    couple in the house. For a decent job "Krone" is the only make to go for.
     
    Zontag, Sep 11, 2004
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  18. Rob Morley

    Lurch Guest

    Siemon do some high density data plates. You can get 6 points on a
    single plate, not sure if they do doubles.
     
    Lurch, Sep 11, 2004
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