Windows 8 - so bad it's hastening the death of the PC?

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013.

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    ~misfit~ Guest


    "In an attempt to keep the PC relevant, Microsoft released a radical new
    version of Windows on October 26. Windows 8 has a completely new look and
    forces users to learn new ways to control their machines.
    "Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't
    provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the
    market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said."


    Am I the only person reminded of the fable of the greedy dog who had a nice
    meaty bone and, on crossing a bridge saw his reflection below him in the
    water. He wanted the other bone that he saw too so he opened his mouth to
    grab it and - of course, lost the bone he had in the process.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
    ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Just saw this too:


    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
    ~misfit~, Apr 11, 2013
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  3. It seems a slightly preposterous notion to me. It's like saying "the
    rebranding of shell petrol stations as Z has destroyed car sales".

    If people are buying fewer computers, desktop or schlepptop, then that
    probably is mostly due to the customer's perception that they can do
    whatever it is they want to do on smaller mobile devices (and why not,
    if that's all they want to do) and/or fashion accessory slavery (I see
    the ipad-iphone thing as largely fashion driven myself).

    I can only liken it to my current situation: many many travellers are
    perfectly happy recording their holiday snaps with a ciggy-pack-sized
    point and click camera where I lug 10kg's worth of photographic
    equipment around. We just have different needs.

    You can say what you want about Win8 .. like geoff suggested about the
    first thing I did was dump the tiles based interface, install a stardock
    programmed start-button modification that gives it more/better
    functionality, and I basically don't see a difference from former OSs.
    Except that I've been assured (maybe falsely?) that Win8 seems a lot
    less demanding of the hardware -- I was told that laptops developed for
    Win8 take a big performance hit when re-installed with Win7. Since I
    personally haven't seen the need to undertake that experiment I can't
    say yay or nay.
    Peter Huebner, Apr 11, 2013
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Agreed. However probably 95% of the folks who buy (or play with, with an eye
    to buy) a computer and [l]user-level people. They wouldn't know how to do
    what you suggest - or even know that it's possible (and I don't believe that
    W7 is an option for the walk-in punter now is it? It certainly wouldn't be
    on display).

    Frankly, if I were a 'user' and went into a store looking to buy a computing
    device, especially a mobile or semi-mobile one and was presented with the
    choice of a laptop running W8 or a tablet (and I was used to XP, Vista
    <spew> or W7) I'd be likely to get the tablet.

    Also, in this theoretical scenario it would be the fact that the tablet,
    running a tablet-centric OS was far more user-friendly than a aptop running
    a tablet-friendly OS. If I were used to a laptop, were looking to replace
    the laptop and I was shown machines running W7 then I'd likely go for
    another laptop.

    Bottom line: MS are (prematurely) hammering nails into the coffin of the
    traditional 'computer' IMO (and the opinions of more than a few journos).

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
    ~misfit~, Apr 12, 2013
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Agreed Peter, agreed. However you hardly represent the masive majority of
    computing-device buyers (That's a compliment BTW. ;) )

    Please see my reply to geoff for my reasoning. Sorry, I have to go pick up
    my meds so can't write in more depth right now. (Damn annoying only being
    able to get a maximum of 10 days worth at a time!!!)

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
    ~misfit~, Apr 12, 2013
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    Gordon Guest

    This is about Ms Soft thinking that one size fits all. About how we must get
    into the app store scene and created something for mobile/swipe machines.

    If it gave the PC user the oppotunity to leave metro to the swipers then it
    would have done so much better. Underneath the tiles Ms Windows 8 is a
    evolutionary step.

    Then again there are people who are saying the PC is dead, or will be in a
    few years, because we have all gone mobile. History begs to differ, pencils
    are still made by the million, newspapers are still sold, picture theatres
    are still surviving.

    The desktop PC has more power than any mobile device will ever have.
    Sometimes real grunt, raw power is the tool needed. About to crank up
    Gordon, Apr 12, 2013
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    Gordon Guest

    I think the slide was on, MS just jumped on, or rather tried to jump off.

    The interesting point here is that people still see MS as associated with
    the PC desktop. When it is trying to sell you stuff from the store.
    Gordon, Apr 12, 2013
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    Ralph Fox Guest

    I operate by keyboard/mouse. I have not needed to remove anything from
    Win8 to use it.

    The Start screen is like the Program Manager from Windows 3.1 (if you do
    remember the Program Manager). It starts my desktop applications, which
    run in the Win8 desktop just the same as how they used to run in the Win7
    Ralph Fox, Apr 12, 2013
  9. When I went laptop shopping in December there were quite a lot of
    buisiness oriented Laptops (and some pretty grunty ones at that) still
    offered with Win7. In fact I had the very same option. I went with Win8
    because of what I'd been told about its demand on hardware and
    thepossibility that it had been better optimised for battery life.

    cheers, -P. from Coffs Harbour tonight.
    Peter Huebner, Apr 12, 2013
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    Gib Bogle Guest

    What worries me about the popularity of smart phones, tablets and pads
    is that the economies of scale in PC production will presumably become
    less effective, and I'll have to pay more for the powerful desktop
    machine that I need.
    Gib Bogle, Apr 12, 2013
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    victor Guest

    You are right, but probably not that much more.
    You could also be able to access more processing power online via Amazon
    EC2 Microsoft Azure etc via RDP or VNC etc, because all these app driven
    devices are driving the growth of cloud processing.
    Microsoft needs to be in that market to survive.
    victor, Apr 13, 2013
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    Enkidu Guest

    The costs of production in the slave shops of Asia are still falling,
    apparently. Look out for rises in prices as the human rights advocates
    force the production facilities to change. (Not that I'm suggesting that
    the slave shops should be allowed to continue of course). That'll affect
    the phones and tablet prices too of course.

    I'd say that the desktop market is driven by businesses, but except for
    developers, most businesses are handing out laptops to individuals and
    using specialised kit for servers, so you may be right.


    Enkidu, Apr 13, 2013
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    geopelia Guest

    Could computer sales have gone down because most people have got a computer
    by now?
    When I got mine about 12 years ago many people still hadn't got one.
    I've just replaced mine (same keyboard, mouse, monitor , printer etc.)
    Still trying to get everything back in order as it was before.
    And I still haven't got a mobile phone.
    geopelia, Apr 13, 2013
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    victor Guest

    Smartphone users are generally familiar with PCs and the internet.
    Smartphones aren't standalone devices. Some might be using all the
    social stuff where the phone or tablet is the interface to a datacenter,
    some might be accessing all their dropbox info or keeping track of jobs
    with evernote, or accessing and sharing documentation or drawings. They
    might be using the camera as a scanner or barcode reader, or to keep
    receipts and business cards and notes. They might access traffic reports
    or timetables. Its a whole other set of tools and toys. I'm not a power
    user, but I can see that smartphone utility has changed radically over
    the last few years.
    The reason MS has built the new interface for W8 is because of the apps
    with multitouch and speech recognition which will have to run on tablets
    phones laptops desktops and TVs to make their cloud based Azure platform
    The old PC will still be there underneath for a while. Just like the old
    phone, but MS is trying to maintain their advantage by putting web apps
    on the front screen before you open Chrome.
    victor, Apr 13, 2013
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    geopelia Guest

    I would keep it turned off anyway, unless I wanted to send or receive a
    email is good enough for me.
    geopelia, Apr 13, 2013
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    ~misfit~ Guest

    Same thing happened with XP and Vivasta - especially with business oriented
    hardware so that it could be integrated easilly into existing
    infrastructure..... And that *was* Dec 2012. ;)
    Yup, understood. However you're a power-user / IT guy so, like I said, your
    decision will be different from Joe Punter's.

    How you're getting to enjoy yourself. :)

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
    cozy little classification in the DSM."
    David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
    ~misfit~, Apr 14, 2013
  17. "Sometimes" being the operative word here. Often not ... it's often simply
    that the company selling the new thing has an empty cookie jar. :)

    From the little I have seen of it, I want it not at all. I have yet to hear
    convincing reasons why XP is finished. I doubt it is. :)

    Exactly so, well said. "Why is this a good idea" is an excellent question.
    More of us should be asking this more often. :)
    Bruce Sinclair, Apr 15, 2013
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    Enkidu Guest

    Up to a point. You don't necessarily know how useful you would find
    something until you get one.


    Enkidu, Apr 15, 2013
  19. Some truth to that - the unknown unknown. But if I haven't missed it/wanted
    to do it already, I'm unlikely to care I reckon. :)
    So far, there's nothing that people have talked about that I want to do. I
    have, OTOH, often asked ... "and why is that a *good* thing ?". :)
    Bruce Sinclair, Apr 15, 2013
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