Wifi Antennas

Discussion in 'Home Networking' started by gargoyle60, Aug 11, 2013.

  1. How do you propose to avoid MAC spoofing then?
    Simon Finnigan, Aug 15, 2013
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  2. How do you intend to ensure the network is entirely secure, given that you
    don't know for sure the firmware of everything attached to the network is
    entirely secure?
    Simon Finnigan, Aug 15, 2013
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  3. Hmmm. This is out of my depth. But I guess you cant sniff a network you
    are not connected to. So if you dont know the WPA password etc
    and the WAP wont speak to you. Can you still sniff packets on the

    Fergus McMenemie, Aug 15, 2013
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    Rob Morley Guest

    On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:55:16 +0100
    Absolutely - the packets are winging their way through the ether to
    anyone who has an antenna, just because your wireless card usually only
    talks/listens to your WAP doesn't mean it can't listen to everything
    else, "connected" or not. So you listen to someone authenticating to
    their WAP, and having captured that dialogue you set about cracking the
    encryption. That's still a brute-force attack. with no easy shortcuts -
    use a strong passphrase and change the default SSID to something odd to
    make this a long tedious job for the would-be hacker. Or use a
    dictionary word for the passphrase, and a common SSID, to make it
    relatively trivial to crack with a rainbow table, if you want to play at
    honeypots. :)
    Rob Morley, Aug 15, 2013
  5. You can sniff a network, get enough packets to crack the password and away
    you go. And the MAC address will be easily available too, letting anyone
    Simon Finnigan, Aug 16, 2013
  6. Ok, yes. The *whole* strength of WPA does depend on good passwords.
    However your should very rarely have to type the pasword so
    "makeitlongandmemorable". This is the style of WPA password I have used
    for years, before SG 'discovered' it. Very simple, memorable. The only
    current way to attack WPA encription is brute force and dictionary.

    However I was wondering if my MAC address is WPA encripted or not?
    Fergus McMenemie, Aug 16, 2013
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    Rob Morley Guest

    On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:49:57 +0100
    Nope - the source and destination MACs are included in plain text in
    every packet.
    Rob Morley, Aug 16, 2013

  8. Hmmm, so in summary. A hidden SSID and or locking down the list of
    MAC address the WAP will talk to offers zero protection against
    anybody with half a wit! Everything depend on the quality of your
    WPA pasword and who knows it.
    Fergus McMenemie, Aug 17, 2013
  9. gargoyle60

    Rob Morley Guest

    On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:05:54 +0100
    Well, switching off SSID broadcast will make the WAP invisible unless
    it's talking to someone, which adds a little "security by obscurity".
    But once an Association Request dialogue has occurred, between a
    legitimate wireless node and the WAP, a sniffer has the SSID and MAC.
    Rob Morley, Aug 17, 2013
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    Stephen Guest

    the ultimate WiFi security fix is no wireless - use Ethernet cables.

    a compromise that sometimes helps is using powerline networking.
    Stephen, Aug 18, 2013
  11. gargoyle60

    Daniel James Guest

    ... and shield them! (you did say "ultimate")

    Which -- given the way that any such suggestion usually provokes howls
    of outrage from the ham radio community -- is probably much more
    amenable to eavesdropping! (you were quite right to say "compromise")

    Daniel James, Aug 19, 2013
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