[QUOTE]\nActually it is a sign that the person buying the system\nis incompetent, and the one deploying it as well.[/QUOTE]\n\nNope, its just a basic recognition of how many users operate.\n[QUOTE]\nIf even one moment is spent on considering the CPU's ability\nto shut down while there were not good fans installed (which\nmake the risk of fan failure so remote as to be overshadowed\nby any other reasonable risk), the effort was made in vain.[/QUOTE]\n\nThats a completely silly claim.\n[QUOTE]\nIf there are good design decisions made towards cooling,\nthe CPU shutdown mechanism is of very little usefulness,\nfar far less than most other parameters in CPU selection.[/QUOTE]\n\nWrong with most personal desktop systems which dont need any\ncareful choice of cpu at all. What happens in reality with the absolute\nvast bulk of those is a choice based on value for money instead.\n[QUOTE]\n"Something happens"?\nIf you can't keep "something" from happening,\nhire someone who can. This isn't rocket science.[/QUOTE]\n\nIt makes a hell of a lot more sense to have the cpu\nbehave gracefully when the shit hits the fan instead.\n[QUOTE]\nSame goes for heatsink clips and installation. Focusing on\nthe PROBLEM prevents downtime. Ignoring the problem is\nwhat causes a perceived need for CPU shutdown features.[/QUOTE]\n\nHave fun explaining how come even amd\nnow have a decent shutdown mechanism.\n\nIts nothing like as black and white as you are claiming.\n[QUOTE]\n.. about the last thing worth considering.[/QUOTE]\n\nNope, not if its a value for money personal desktop\nsystem where there are no considerations in the\nchoice of the cpu except whats currently decent value\nfor money with minimal hassles with chipset quirks etc.\n[QUOTE]\nBetter than not having it, but if you need it,\nthe person who selected the system and the\nbuilder/seller should be relieved of their duties.[/QUOTE]\n\nYou clearly dont have a clue about what value\nfor money personal desktop systems are about.\n[QUOTE]\nHe should have been more pissed off about why it happened.\nAs already written, if same thing happened in an Intel/P4 system\nwe'd have to assume he'd be a little upset about that too.[/QUOTE]\n\nIt wouldnt have happened if it was just an awkwardly\ndesigned heatsink which could be installed improperly.\nHe would have had the chance to see that the cpu temp\nwas way out of line and check the heatsink to see why.\n\nIts completely mad that an awkwardly designed heatsink\nshould see the cpu dead, particularly with the amd cpus\nthat didnt at that stage come with boxed HS and fan.\n[QUOTE]\nActually no. It is ridiculous thinking about\nthe effect of a problem rather than the source.[/QUOTE]\n\nMindlessly silly.\n[QUOTE]\nI could complain that a pad of paper burst into flames because\nsomeone lit it on fire, but does it mean I should buy flameproof\npaper or avoid tools that go around lighting things on fire?[/QUOTE]\n\nMindlessly silly.\n\nNothing like the same thing as an awkwardly\ndesigned HS which can be improperly installed.\n[QUOTE]\nyes, it's "trivial" to do it right, so if the system weren't\nin proper working order for long term use, the problem\nhas already occured, is not the future result.[/QUOTE]\n\nGets sillier by the minute.\n[QUOTE]\nThen you choose to promote system downtime, failures.[/QUOTE]\n\nGets sillier by the minute.\n[QUOTE]\nIf the system is designed properly the odds of the shutdown feature\nbeing needed are too remote to be realistically considered.[/QUOTE]\n\nGets sillier by the minute.\n[QUOTE]\nIf you disagree, you have never bothered to learn\nproper system component selection for long term use.[/QUOTE]\n\nNot a clue, as always.\n[QUOTE]\nOk, if you presuppose a problem then that would help.[/QUOTE]\n\nThere are ALWAYS problems.\n[QUOTE]\nI'd rather presuppose the time should be spent on eliminating\nthe problem, or at the very least, checking for this.[/QUOTE]\n\nHave fun explaining why even amd now has thermal shutdown.\n[QUOTE]\nOk, and again, it is pointless to name an entire company's\nproducts rather than the specific one with the issue.[/QUOTE]\n\nNo its not, its evidence of how that company does things.\n[QUOTE]\nSomeone could similarly claim "I had a p3 1.13GHz that\nwasn't stable, this is proof we should never buy an Intel\nCPU". It would be an equally invalid argument in the\ncontext of system component selection today.[/QUOTE]\n\nGets sillier by the minute.\n[QUOTE]\nOk, it's your $$.[/QUOTE]\n\nDoesnt cost me a cent.\n[QUOTE]\nHowever, using them means you are necessarily\nless informed through actual use of any alternatives.[/QUOTE]\n\nWhat I choose to buy for myself is an entirely separate\nmatter to what I have seen problems with.\n[QUOTE]\nIOW, you may then know a fair bit about them, but not be\nable to reasonably contrast them to anything else, _today_.[/QUOTE]\n\nGets sillier by the minute.\n[QUOTE]\nPossibly true, but we are talking about CPUs... which\ncome in different speed grades and corresponding prices.\nQuite commonly people will spend more for a higher CPU #\nthan other system parameters so it is only reasonable to\nconsider what they get for the $.[/QUOTE]\n\nOr it makes much more sense to buy on the basis of value\nfor money instead with systems known to be reliable.\n[QUOTE]\nThat's just it, the main difference is not just games.[/QUOTE]\n\nNever said it was.\n[QUOTE]\nAs already written, you have to consider the app actually\nused, not just the newest benchmarks of the newest apps.[/QUOTE]\n\nIn practice with what is done on most personal desktop systems,\nbenchmarks are completely irrelevant. The user wont even notice\nany difference between any of the sensible alternatives in practice.\n[QUOTE]\nLikely anything else, software evolves too, particularly\nfor newer CPUs the performance changes.[/QUOTE]\n\nAnd most users of personal desktop systems wont even notice if they\narent running demanding games or stuff like transcoding video files.\n[QUOTE]\nIf one presumes a performance difference from a particular\nCPU but without having the exact app and version they have\nmade an error, and likewise trying to draw conclusions\nabout similar tasks but still non-identical software.[/QUOTE]\n\nIn practice with what is done on most personal desktop systems,\nbenchmarks are completely irrelevant. The user wont even notice\nany difference between any of the sensible alternatives in practice.\n[QUOTE]\nGames are NOT the only place where AMD CPUs\noutperform "some" of Intel's, it's merely one place\nwhere their raw performance is shown, as it is in\nmost apps not optimized for either architecture.[/QUOTE]\n\nIn practice games and transcoding video files are about\nthe only things that are done much on most personal desktop\nsystems where you will notice any effect of the cpu at all.\n[QUOTE]\nSo pick your CPU then add onto it's cost the cost for all\nthe software you need to realize the benchmark score.[/QUOTE]\n\nOr just pick what's best value for money instead.\n\nThat sort of benchmarking is a complete wank in the real world.