Why is porting numbers such an issue?

Discussion in 'VOIP' started by Al Puzzuoli, Dec 19, 2004.

  1. Al Puzzuoli

    p Guest

    I too missed that part as you can see. I wasn't familiar with BTS. Now looking
    it up "The name for the antenna and radio equipment necessary to provide
    wireless service in an area. Also called a base station or cell site."

    The odds of BOTH my cable being down AND my cell phone being down at the same
    time would be truly unbelievable since neither of them has been down for any
    period of time in the last 5 years I've lived in my current residence.

    But we do have a form of POTS here in the States called Lifeline which is also
    an option.
    p, Jan 1, 2005
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  2. Al Puzzuoli

    Ivor Jones Guest

    Why would it get cut..? The odds of this happening are somewhat remote,
    particularly if the line is underground, rather than on a pole, as it is
    here. The odds are greater that the cellular system might be down, which
    is why I'd rather rely on POTS in an emergency.

    Granted, the chances of POTS, cellular and VoIP *all* going down
    simultaneously are somewhat remote, and I admit I was playing devils
    advocate a little, but my point is don't rely on something new and/or high
    tech in an emergency, the old tried/trusted things like POTS are far more
    likely to survive problems. In over 30 years of living in this house, I
    can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've lost either
    electricity or my POTS line. The local cellular base on the other hand
    goes up and down like a yoyo, and VoIP, while reliable for the most part,
    has been known to lock up if my router throws a wobbly..!

    Happy New Year to all,

    Ivor Jones, Jan 1, 2005
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  3. Al Puzzuoli

    Guest Guest

    Using the example you chose to cite in all probability you would have
    the same success trying to place your call on a land line phone - your
    78 year old mother would still be on the floor while you were waiting
    for a dial tone on your POTS phone!
    Guest, Jan 1, 2005
  4. Al Puzzuoli

    Ivor Jones Guest

    See my other post on this. In 30 years at this location my POTS line has
    been out of service maybe 3 or 4 times. The local cell, however, goes up
    and down like a yoyo.

    Ivor Jones, Jan 1, 2005
  5. Al Puzzuoli

    p Guest

    Point taken.
    You too.
    p, Jan 1, 2005
  6. Al Puzzuoli

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <cr5q51$94o$> "Ivor Jones"
    What would you do if the landline service was overloaded and you
    couldn't complete any calls? Or the local CO went off line? Or a
    backhoe took out all the phone lines in your area?
    DevilsPGD, Jan 2, 2005
  7. Al Puzzuoli

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <cr5pse$8v2$> "Ivor Jones"
    Partially true. However, it's worth noting the difference since there
    is no point petitioning the telco or a regulatory body to change a
    technical limitation. However, since the problem is administrative, it
    can be solved either by a regulatory body or the telco.
    Interesting. Around here, if you call sales and tell them exactly what
    you want, they may try to upsell but they won't force the issue -- The
    cable company would rather sell something then nothing.
    Then you need to be in touch with the marketing department of the telco
    and/or cable company.
    For me, the cost/benefit ratio isn't worth it. I can walk to a
    neighbour's house and use a landline, or I can use my cell. The odds of
    both my cell service AND cable service going down at the same time is
    fairly low.

    The chance of it happening at the same time as everyone in the house
    being unable to go to a neighbour's house is effectively zero.
    DevilsPGD, Jan 2, 2005
  8. Al Puzzuoli

    Kyler Laird Guest

    ....and I've experienced a dead POTS line of over one day within the past year.
    In our area we can make emergency calls using unsubscribed POTS lines. At
    least it appears that way for one of my friends who moved into a house and did
    not activate the landline.

    Kyler Laird, Jan 3, 2005
  9. Al Puzzuoli

    Kyler Laird Guest

    It seems somewhat timely that I just heard from a friend of mine who
    I'd given an SPA-2000. During the ice storm a few days ago a tree
    fell on some cables ripping the them from his house (and pulling
    down his power transformer). Another friend provided a generator
    and he's been using my VoIP account ever since. (His TV cable was not

    He said that it's been interesting for his wife to explain that their
    phone line has been cut but they can be reached at a toll-free number.

    Ah...the joys of VoIP...

    Kyler Laird, Jan 10, 2005
  10. Al Puzzuoli

    David Ross Guest

    I will depend on my cell phone. Personally, I believe everyone will use their
    And everyone move to urban area? There are vast swaths of this country
    where cell service is marginal or non-existent.
    David Ross, Feb 8, 2005
  11. Al Puzzuoli

    Ivor Jones Guest

    Which country..?

    Don't answer that, I know - but this is a global group and not everyone is
    in North America.

    Ivor Jones, Feb 8, 2005
  12. Al Puzzuoli

    David Floyd Guest

    Strange! I thought this country had 99% coverage - even in rural areas,
    let alone vast swaths of it. :)

    David Floyd, Feb 9, 2005
  13. Al Puzzuoli

    David Ross Guest

    Strange! I thought this country had 99% coverage - even in rural areas,
    When I visit relatives in Dallas I always have bars. I can't always get
    a signal but I always get bars. It's flat with a high population and so
    a reasonable number of towers gets me lots of coverage.

    Here in the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area of NC, there are LOTs of
    dead spots. Most in the built up areas are small but there are there.
    There a neighborhood in Chapel Hill where most of the residents can only
    use Alltel. It's dead to the rest of the carriers. And this is not a low
    rent district. This area is hilly, and the carriers just don't want to
    spend money to cover every low and/or hidden spot.

    Pretend to sign up for service in zip 27601 and you'll see we have lots
    of open space on all of the carriers' maps.
    David Ross, Feb 9, 2005
  14. Al Puzzuoli

    Svein Guest

    David Ross skrev:
    Hehe - interesting to read about this. It could have been Scandinavia,
    but 15 years ago.... Funny, when we travelled in Eastern Europe 15
    years ago, we called THOSE coutries retro! When I called home from
    Florida last year, people thought I was joking when I said I hadn't
    returned their calls because I had to go into the city to get mobile

    Although we are a bit off-topic here - what is the reason for America's
    falling so far behind the rest of the western world when it comes to
    cell phones? Lack of standards?

    Svein, Feb 9, 2005
  15. Al Puzzuoli

    Miguel Cruz Guest

    Because the landline service in the USA is vastly superior to that in
    Europe, there's been less of an urgent need to try to cobble together a
    substitute in the form of cell service.

    Miguel Cruz, Feb 9, 2005
  16. Al Puzzuoli

    Mitel Lurker Guest

    It's true, 99% of the population has cell coverage, but 70% of them live
    in or near metropolitan areas.

    Once you depart from the beaten path there still are wide swaths of this
    country, out in the dingy-weeds, where there is no cellular coverage. I
    personally know of one such location, a mere 45 miles East of the heart of
    downtown Houston, TX and just 5 miles North of Interstate 10. Is this a
    rural area? Yes, very much so. There's also no Cable TV there nor is there
    any wireline DSL. The area is also sparsely populated.
    Mitel Lurker, Feb 9, 2005
  17. Al Puzzuoli

    David Floyd Guest

    You guys just think you're the centre of the world, and every think
    revolves around the USA. Get a life - this is a global newsgroup.

    David Floyd, Feb 9, 2005
  18. I don't understand your point in context. Are you suggesting that we
    not discuss cell coverage in the US because this is a global newsgroup?
    If that is not what you're suggesting, then what is your point? I don't
    see anything in the quoted text that would warrant such a response.
    [email protected], Feb 14, 2005
  19. Al Puzzuoli

    Paul Guest

    Thats like me saying that you english people bitch and moan about
    Paul, Feb 14, 2005
  20. Al Puzzuoli

    Ivor Jones Guest

    That is precisely the problem, there *isn't* anything in the original text
    to indicate that the country being discussed was the US. It was assumed
    that everyone would know, which I for one find arrogant.

    Ivor (in the UK)
    Ivor Jones, Feb 15, 2005
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