Why did the professional camera reviewers totally miss a serious flaw in the camera?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Jeanette Guire, Oct 15, 2007.

  1. A rubber band is better. Duct tape will mark the camera body.

    Dennis Pogson, Oct 16, 2007
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  2. Yeah! I think in future reviewers should use the camera extensively for
    around 3 years before writing a review. By that time the camera will have
    been replaced about 5 times with newer models, so it won't matter if the
    battery door fails. You can sell it on E-Bay with an elastic band round it,
    pointing out that this is a design feature.

    Dennis Pogson, Oct 16, 2007
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    Charles Guest

    I broke the one on my 990 by dropping it down the stairs. Maybe they
    should do that as well.
    Charles, Oct 16, 2007
  4. I've had a CoolPix for a couple of years now. Until you brought it up here,
    I've never noticed the latch and never thought of it being a defect. Just
    as the designer did not think it would have the faults that shoed up.

    I really doubt that the reviews missed it, they just did not see it being a
    problem. Yes, sometimes companies take a chance a launch a product with a
    flaw, but most never see it until the unit is put to use for a period of
    time and in greater numbers than their test panels.

    Mine has thousands of photos and thousands of miles on in and still works so
    I don't see it as a design flaw. If it does, I may change my mind.
    Edwin Pawlowski, Oct 16, 2007

  5. This was a cross posted bait piece. Extraneous groups out.
    John McWilliams, Oct 16, 2007
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    AZ Nomad Guest

    You're behind the times. Use nylon cable ties instead.
    Maybe wash the thing out with some contact cleaner first.
    AZ Nomad, Oct 16, 2007
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    Tony Hwang Guest

    Or hay wire!
    Tony Hwang, Oct 16, 2007
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    Janey Guest

    I'm curious why the following three camera reviewers totally missed a very
    1. Depending on the venue (magazine, not-for-profit web site, etc.), if Nikon
    or one of their distributors advertises in/on their venue editorial policy
    may dictate that reviewer must not bring out negative traits of the product
    (for fear of losing advert revenue).

    2. Having the camera in hand for such a short period of time (hours? days?)
    it's simply not possible to "road test" it to the extent that the normal
    owner may eventually do so.

    Good luck on the next one.
    Janey, Oct 16, 2007
  9. Duct tape is so very 20th century. In the 19th century, the universal
    repair solutions were baling wire (used for hay bales) and chewing
    gum. Victorian machinery was held together by farm tools. Duct tape
    was suitable for most 20th century repairs because the devices were
    large enough to handle the tape. It's still useful today on the Space
    "They also decided to rig a thermal barrier out of a surplus
    reference book and all-purpose gray tape."
    but not on small things.

    This is the 21st century, where things are getting smaller and
    smaller, while Duct tape has remained unchanged since the invention of
    ummm... ducting. More important, many devices are being designed with
    little concern for repairs or even disassembly. About all one can do
    with duct tape today is embalm the device.

    I don't know what will become the 21st century equivalent of Duct
    tape. My vote is for Superglue, epoxy, and urethane glue and goo. I
    had some hope for ty-wraps replacing baling wire, but even ty-wraps
    are being replaced by glue and goo. Much home construction and a
    growing number of products are already assembled with adhesives.

    For the 21st century, it's adhesives, not Duct tape.
    Jeff Liebermann, Oct 16, 2007
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    SparkyGuy Guest

    Duct tape is crap. It is actually not good for ducts (heating and cooling
    causes the adhesive to quickly fail):
    - - - - -
    POPULAR SCIENCE (December 1998)

    Tape That Doesn't Live Up to its Name

    DUCT TAPE is one of the most versatile materials ever invented. You can
    patch a tent, seal up a box, or even repair a leaky garden house with it.
    But according to the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National
    Laboratory, there's one thing duct tape doesn't do well: seal a duct.

    In leak tests at the lab, researchers Max Sherman and Iain Walker forced
    alternating hot and cold air flows through finger-jointed metal ducts sealed
    with a variety of products --including duct tape, clear plastic tape,
    foil-backed tape, mastic, and injected aerosols. The researchers also baked
    the sample ducts at temperatures of 140 to 187 degrees F, simulating the
    conditions in many attics.

    "Of all the things we tested," says Sherman, "only duct tape failed. It
    failed reliably and quite often catastrophically."

    Duct tape consists of a cloth backing and a rubber adhesive. "We think that
    heat degrades the glue, and that's what's killing the duct tape," Walker

    The researchers are recommending that duct tape manufacturers reformulate
    the glue to work better at higher temperatures, and that longevity standards
    be developed for all duct sealants. Whether that will happen remains to be
    seen; as of press time, manufacturers were studying the test results.

    In the average house, 20 to 30 per cent of the energy used for heating and
    cooling is lost through ducts.
    - - - - -
    There is a different type of duct tape that works. It's black and actually
    sold in better heating & cooling supply stores.

    The original that I remember was available from drama supply stores called
    gaffer's tape. It is of a different constitution and doesn't leave a residue
    when you take it off after a week or 2.
    SparkyGuy, Oct 16, 2007
  11. I happen to be one of those who suffered this common problem.

    Just to lend some seriousness, duct tape doesn't work. There's enough
    continuous upward pressure on the door from the spring-loaded pair of AA cells
    that the door gradually shifts the tape, opens slightly, and loses the
    electrical connection.

    Rubber bands don't work because they happen to pass over various controls
    (such as the zoom) that need to be freely accessible.

    I envy those who had enough of the surgeon's touch to mount a paperclip. I
    myself used the delightfully outside-the-box solution of the metal plate
    externally mounted via a bolt through the tripod mount. Brilliant!

    I'd also opine that this (rec.home.repair; I see it's cross-posted within
    reason) is an appropriate newsgroup, or certainly not inappropriate, for the
    discussion of repairing a physical household item. Appliance repair
    discussion tends to go here, and this seems little different.

    Arthur Shapiro, Oct 16, 2007
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    Al Bundy Guest

    Duct tape just a tradational ha-ha. Personally I like to stick <pun
    intended) with Covalence Adhesives products like Polyken & Nashua.

    Al Bundy, Oct 16, 2007
  13. you are Linux user my heart goes out to you

    Mr.Tony to you, Oct 16, 2007
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    Bruce Patis Guest

    I don't know any details about which, if any, cameras have a titanium
    case. However, in the wonderful world of marketing, many products are
    now being offered in a "titanium" version. That's in addition to
    other colors, because, in current advertising jargon, titanium is the
    new word for gray. So now I realize that I, too, have many products
    with a "titanium" case.<g>

    Bruce Patis, Oct 17, 2007
  15. There's a difference between designer color "titanium" and a metal case made of
    titanium. Many of Sony's digicams had or have? a titanium shell. I know, because
    I have one two them. I reject any camera that cannot stand up to the conditions
    in which I have to take it. Look at the old news footage from the war in Iran,
    most all the servicemen and news-reporters carried Sony digicams cameras just
    for this reason.
    franklin_daines, Oct 17, 2007
  16. There's a difference between designer color "titanium" and a metal case made of
    titanium. Many of Sony's digicams had or have? a titanium shell. I know, because
    I have two them. I reject any camera that cannot stand up to the conditions in
    which I have to take it. Look at the old news footage from the war in Iran, most
    all the servicemen and news-reporters carried Sony digicams cameras just for
    this reason.
    franklin_daines, Oct 17, 2007
  17. [removed the home repair newsgroup, the topic has nothing to do with
    repairing homes or home improvement]

    It didn't seem to be a flaw.

    I owned a Coolpix 2100 (which is effectively the 2-megapixel version of the
    CoolPix 3100, construction of the camera is otherwise identical) and when it
    finally stopped working, it wasn't the battery door that failed. Instead, it
    was the plastic 4-directional control that just stopped responding to left,
    then left and down, and eventually, just stopped responding altogether.
    Since that camera was more than 4 years old at the time the 4-directional
    control failed, I just discarded the camera and purchased a different
    (non-Nikon) camera that was much higher resolution and has a much better low
    -light photo capability. (It didn't seem worth it to try to get the camera
    repaired or replaced with what would probably be a refurbished model.)

    Additionally, I changed batteries numerous times (due to the high drain
    issues with that camera even with 2000+ mAh AA NiMH battery cells) during
    the 4 years I owned the CoolPix 2100, and the battery door never failed to

    Others, of course, may vary.
    Daniel W. Rouse Jr., Oct 17, 2007

  18. Then you don't know the proper way to use duck (duct) tape. In a
    case like this, you use the tape to hold something against the door, so
    it CAN'T move.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
    Michael A. Terrell, Oct 21, 2007
  19. Where in world did you come up with duck?? One doesn't tape ducks; one
    tapes ducts. except it isn't very good for that.....
    John McWilliams, Oct 21, 2007
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    Neil Ellwood Guest

    Peter Scott did it all the time.
    Neil Ellwood, Oct 21, 2007
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