Which SSL is links using?

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Avoid9Pdf, Mar 9, 2013.

  1. Avoid9Pdf

    Avoid9Pdf Guest

    This is still about gmail:smtp TLS/SSL.

    `links gmail.com` shows me the traces while it's 'doing SSL'.
    So that means my system HAS a working SSL system.

    `apropos ssl | wc -l` == 290 Plenty stuff !!
    That's why I refuse to "buy yourself a ding-dong".

    `pstree` shows a ssh. I don't think that's it.
    I don't know ssl and I suspect most others just mouth the words.

    Is there some way to 'capture a trace' of what processes `links`
    used? Or what?

    == TIA
    Avoid9Pdf, Mar 9, 2013
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    Aragorn Guest

    Over here in Belgium, a "ding-dong" is a generic nickname for a kind of
    doorbell which makes a sound like, uhh, "ding dong!". ;-)
    Aragorn, Mar 9, 2013
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    Keith Keller Guest

    ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.networking.]

    Competent people would use strace or read the source code. You should
    probably just give up and buy some Ding-Dongs.

    FWIW, links would not spawn an ssh process to create an SSL link to
    a remote web server. Rather, links is linked to the ssl libraries so
    that it can create a secure session itself.

    Keith Keller, Mar 9, 2013
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    Avoid9Pdf Guest

    Is ssh unrelated to SSL?
    I'll kill ssh and see if links still works, without ssh restarting?
    Avoid9Pdf, Mar 10, 2013
  5. Yes.
    Richard Kettlewell, Mar 10, 2013
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    Vince Coen Guest

    Hello Aragorn!

    09 Mar 13 20:34, Aragorn wrote to All:
    In the UK it is a old expression for an object or device that one is not
    sure what it does, however there are many other generic names that have
    replaced it over the years related to different industries, eg,
    bloggs = Student pilot Aviation) or dummy test data username in IT.

    Vince Coen, Mar 10, 2013
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    Aragorn Guest

    South Africa is no longer an Oranje-Vrijstaat. It has already been a
    completely independent republic for quite some time.

    On account of the language, old British expressions are slowly but
    steadily being supplanted by slangs from the non-Western local languages
    such as Xhosa and Zulu, mixed with Afrikaans proper. Ergo, even though
    I'm not sure on the actual subject of a "ding dong" here, I think that
    its Afrikaans meaning would be similar to the one given to it here in
    the Flanders.

    Actually, I believe that something which an unclear definition is simply
    called "ding" in Afrikaans, which is the same word as in Dutch and which
    means "thing". ;-)
    Aragorn, Mar 10, 2013
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    Aragorn Guest

    My apologies. I am quite familiar with South Africa as I have close
    friends who live there, but I was under the impression that the term
    Oranje-Vrijstaat was the Dutch name for South Africa before it became an
    independent nation. I should have verified this first.

    Also, I wasn't really aware that Chris Glurr was from South Africa. I
    had assumed him British or North-American. Either way, he's in my
    killfile, for multiple reasons, but most significantly his rudeness
    towards people trying to humor him in.
    That's because the South African regime is imbued with corruption, just
    like the Walloon Region - not that there isn't any corruption in the
    Flanders Region or the Brussels Capitol Region either.

    When South Africa abolished Apartheid and Nelson Mandela was elected
    president of the republic, most South Africans had their hopes up very
    high, but Mandela could only be president for two terms and he was too
    old to run for elections again after the two terms of his successor
    Thabo Mbeki. And Mbeki was quite a passive president without a clear
    vision on how to handle the sudden shift in power when Apartheid ceased.

    The ANC is the biggest political party in South Africa, but it isn't
    really a political party by way of its vision, because it is just a
    loose collective of freedom fighters from before the end of Apartheid,
    and their common cause was the abolishment of Apartheid only, without
    any consensus on where to take it from there. The only thing that
    united the members of the ANC was their quest to get Apartheid abolished
    and take away power from the white minority.

    Many years of Apartheid and oppression from the white minority in South
    Africa had created a very deep, brooding hatred, and suddenly this
    oppression fell away, without a controlled transition into a fairly
    organized society. Racism flourished both among the old proponents of
    Apartheid and among the colored South Africans, and crime rates went up
    drastically, as did corruption - which is itself also a crime, of
    course. There is also a problem with refugees from Zimbabwe, who are
    accused of stealing the jobs of the native South Africans, as well as a
    problem with organized crime gangs moving in from other African nations
    - mostly Nigerians, or so I've heard.

    Mandela tried to make things right, but he didn't have enough time. HIs
    successor Mbeki didn't do anything to make it right at all. And now
    there's Jacob Zuma, someone who himself has already been accused of
    crimes such as rape and corruption, and who doesn't have a political
    vision either, except maybe something akin to the political convictions
    and self-serving motivations of his despotic friend Robert Mugabe in

    The Rainbow Nation is up for grabs these days. It's a total chaos down
    there. The cops are so afraid of the criminals that they either refuse
    to come out when a crime is being reported, or that they take bribes.
    Apartheid was wrong in every possible way and for ever possible reason,
    but what has become of that beautiful country now is even worse.

    It is sad. Very sad.
    Aragorn, Mar 11, 2013
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    Aragorn Guest

    That I know, yes, but I am less familiar with how the colonization
    occurred, up until the Boer War, when "die Boere" fought the British.
    I see. Thanks for the elaboration.
    Indeed, it is.
    Strange as it may sound, I am beginning to believe that it is very much
    an accepted part of South African culture, as I have come to experience
    myself in dealing with South Africans. Not all South Africans I know
    are like that, but many are.

    It is also one of the things which I found highly shocking when watching
    Peter Jackson's "District 9" movie, which - in case you haven't seen it
    - is a science-fiction movie set in the vicinity of Johannesburg, and is
    a clear allegory for the whole syndrome of Apartheid. The interpersonal
    rudeness and disdain were very ubiquitous in that movie, and according
    to one of the actors, that is how things really are in the vicinity of
    Not just politicians. Corporations are just as corrupt, and have just
    as much power and influence in society as the politicians themselves,
    not to mention that most politicians are also on the payroll of
    corporations, whether overtly or covertly.
    Indeed. Shockingly barbaric and beyond any civilized comprehension.
    I firmly agree with that. With regard to South Africa concretely, I see
    this as the primary reason for all the dismay and suffering in that
    country right now.
    According to what I've read not too long ago, only Germany [*] currently
    seems to be doing very well in Europe. Even France has taken a beating,
    and the UK is somewhat on the sidelines, as they are treated as
    "privileged members" of the EU, given that they don't use the Euro as
    currency and that they only pay half the taxes to the EU compared to
    other EU member states.

    [*] One could rhetorically posit the question whether this would be a
    Hegelian writing on the political wall with regard to history
    repeating itself.
    Aragorn, Mar 11, 2013
  10. Oh, one of those.

    That's the way to aproach something you don't know, because then it sounds
    like you do know, without actually having to name it.

    Michael Black, Mar 14, 2013
  11. I quibble with their 'empty-headed' adjective. I think
    the usage of 'ding-dong' in this case refers to one
    whose head is so thick (dense, obdurate, hard-headed)
    that it could serve as a clapper for the bell in the
    local church steeple.

    Alastair Black, Mar 15, 2013
  12. In the 1540s, "The Block" used to refer to that ominous
    piece of outdoor furniture on Tower Green (the Tower
    Of London's notorious head/body separation tool).

    "I must decline....
    I must decline....
    I must decline....
    To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dank dock
    In a pestilential prison with a life-long lock
    Awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock
    From a cheap and chippy chopper on a big, black block."
    ["The Mikado" - Gilbert & Sullivan]

    Alastair ;-)
    Alastair Black, Mar 15, 2013
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