What NZ criminal offence is Dotcom accused of having committed?

I agree. But what concerns me the most is that allowing this kind of
OTT grandstanding by the police might set a precedent that will lead
to more of the same. I know that heavy-handed, quasi-military
operations like the Dotcom swoop are part of the American culture, but
do we want this kind of storm trooper mentality here? I know I don't.

 

... not sure where I saw it now, but somewhere in newsgroup land, there's a
fine .sig that says something like ...

Everyone is allowed to be stupid. Some people abuse the priviledge.

 

NO IT DID NOT DO A THING IT WAS A FILE SHARING SERVICE JUST LIKE
RAPIDSHARE, IF YOU WISH TO DNLOAD MORE DATA AND AT HIGH SPEEDS THEN YOU
PAY LIKE ALL THE 100 SITES THAT DO THE SAME THING.

 

What he was up to was to provide a alternative Music service that was
supported by Musicians that by passed the RIAA, Musicians would get more
money than they get Cents from the corrupt RIAA , this has been reported
on the Radio and TV.

 

Its called US blackmail all to do with this Stupid free trade agreement
with the US..

They had done it with Spain, Have copyright laws or we will block your
trade..

 

You can choose how you set the price on bandcamp.
If people play zero then its not a problem because it was your choice to
give them that option.

http://thenakedandfamous.bandcamp.com/album/passive-me-aggressive-you
http://flyingnun.bandcamp.com/album/tally-ho-flying-nuns-greatest-bits
http://disasteradio.bandcamp.com/album/charisma
http://lordecho.bandcamp.com/album/melodies.

 

Could you please explain in detail about what was over the top, heavy
handed or quasi military about the dotcom swoop?

Try reading this.
http://www.tenone.police.govt.nz/tenone/February12National1.htm

I think your attitude is outrageous and an insult to the police in
this country.

<quote>
The high-profile operation centred on Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom in
Auckland was the culmination of several months of careful planning by
staff in Auckland and Wellington.
....
Termination phases were simultaneously carried out in nine countries.
....
Ten search warrants were executed at addresses across Auckland.
<>

Why in the world would the police "grandstand".
The operation was early in the morning. STANDARD PROCEDURE.
They broke into the house because they had arrest warrants and were
locked out. STANDARD PROCEDURE.
They were armed because they had reason to expect resistance. STANDARD
PROCEDURE.

What exactly is grandstanding to you? If you see a police car with a
siren going racing to someone's assistance is that grandstanding?

You sound like one of these people who support the senseless vandalism
at Waihopai that cost this country 3.5 million dollars.

How would you feel if the All Blacks didn't make any money from
advertising revenue because someone intercepted the broadcast and
rebroadcast it for free over the internet?

How would you feel if you wrote a song that should have earnt you ten
million dollars over the rest of your life and you didn't make a cent
because nobody bought the recording?

 

If that is true then how did MegaUpload make any money ?


Its also supply and demand in the case of movies and TV programs, which
is the majority of p2p traffic.
http://boingboing.net/2012/02/13/bittorrent-doesnt-hurt-us-bo.html

 

BS
Everything about it was done to maximize its PR value, and it will
continue to be a show trial.
PR is a police propaganda tactic, they have campaigns all the time and
embedded reporting crews and publicists.

Your All Blacks reference is a far fetched fantasy, the only reason
anyone would do that is if it wasn't already made easily available for
the sponsors $$$$$$$$$

 

See below.

From TV3 News online: Seventy-six police officers, many armed with
automatic weapons and pistols, including members of the elite Special
Tactics Group, arrived at Kim Dotcom’s Coatesville property on January
20, to arrest him on charges relating to copyright offences.

And: Even the police officer says there has never been a raid like
this before in New Zealand.

WTF was STANDARD about that? Even the police say there has never been
a raid like this one before in NZ.

All the publicity and media coverage immediately following the raid
might give you a hint. According to a leader accompanying an article
on NZ Herald online, the raids were carried out during a birthday
party in order to cause Dotcom "maximum embarrassment." They corralled
EVERYONE - not just the individuals specified in the arrest warrant/s.

They rousted the children's nanny's from their beds at gunpoint. They
forced Dotcom's heavily pregnant wife stand outdoors in the cold and
wet for over an hour. She was guarded by two police officers even
though she had broken no laws.

According to another NZ Herald article: The rooms used by the nannies,
close to the children's room, have splintered door frames. The nannies
have said the doors were unlocked and armed police stormed in
shouting, "Do you have any guns or bombs?

Seventy-six police officers, many armed with automatic weapons and
pistols, including members of the elite Special Tactics Group back by
helicopters to arrest how many people? Five.

And you don't think that's grandstanding?

You're making some very shaky and offensive assumptions here. I do not
support mindless parasites like that and never have.

Again, you are jumping to conclusions. Lynch mob mentality, trial by
media or some arrogant jerk in a Usenet newsgroup has never appealed
to me. I'm very happy with the time honoured principle of presumption
of innocence.

My comments and query were not about what Dotcom and co may or may not
have done to lead to their current predicament. I'm not in a position
to judge, and neither are you.

What I am concerned about is how their arrest was executed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10783521


To quote from Brian Rudman's Op-ed piece titled: Dotcom raid threat to
sovereignty

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10782485

As far as issues of sovereignty are concerned, the ownership of a
handful of remote dairy farms is of much less concern to me than the
thought of the world's only super-power, dialling up the local
Auckland police and deputising a mini-Swat team of 70 to swoop down in
helicopters in a dawn raid on a Coatesville mansion to arrest the
leaders of an international internet file-sharing site that's been
getting up the noses of Hollywood film moguls.

Coming fast on the heels of extradition proceedings launched in
Britain by the United States against a 23-year old student Richard
O'Dwyer for similar alleged offences, it's a flexing of the imperial
eagle's talons that should be worrying patriots everywhere. Mr
O'Dwyer's website allegedly enabled visitors to download pirated films
and television. If extradited he faces up to 10 years in prison even
though there are doubts it's an offence under British law.

There has long been debate about who should police the internet. The
United States government, under pressure from the international movie
and recording giants, has decided to clean up the wild west of
cyberspace on its own. With a little help from extradition treaties it
has with some countries - New Zealand and Britain for two - but not,
it seems, Mr Dotcom's homeland, Germany.

As far as international justice goes, I'm not so sure we should be
giving the United States a free rein. When it comes to international
crusades, the US is not averse to ignoring, or rewriting the rules of
law. Osama bin Laden and Pakistan found out about that. So do the
prisoners in the extraterritorial no-man's land of Guantanamo Bay. The
word "rendition" gained a new meaning under the American justice
system, describing the process of spiriting a suspect wrong-doer by
plane to Afghanistan or some other lawless base, where water-boarding
and other tortures can take place outside the bounds of the victim's
US constitutional rights.

New Zealand's 1970 extradition treaty with the US has been going
through a "modernisation" process since 2006. For politicians fearful
of threats to our sovereignty, this is a more immediate worry than the
ownership of a few remote dairy farms.

By Brian Rudman

 

The following:

Dotcom birthday party targeted

By David Fisher

5:30 AM Sunday Jan 22, 2012

A dawn raid that landed internet mogul Kim Dotcom in jail was timed
for his birthday celebration so his party guests could also be locked
up.

More at:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10780321

 

Seems to me you have been Conned as well, believe nothing in what you
here and 1/2 in what you read..

 

Great article I could not have said it better.

Go watch the TV series Meltdown 4 Parts
or the Secrets of the Seven Sisters 4 Parts CH7

The Meltdown can be found on http://www.aljazeera.com/

Meltdown is a Canadian made program


All this shows how Evil the Yanks are..

 

Wow. I'm staggered that you think this is evidence of grandstanding.
The only people the police locked up or had any intention of locking
up were those they had arrest warrants for or those who resisted them
executing their search and arrest warrents, so if you want me to
believe the Herald article then the reason for targetting the birthday
party was because that was the easiest and surest way of getting the
people they were after and absolutely legitimate. I never doubted it.

 

God. It even says it in the article you linked to

<quote>
Detective Inspector Grant Wormald, of the Organised & Financial Crime
Agency New Zealand, said the planning of the raid was timed around
Dotcom's 38th birthday celebrations, intended for yesterday.

"Intelligence had told us that when he has a birthday party most of
the people who were indicted (in the US) would be at his party."
<>

Can't you read?

 

If there's anything more ridiculous than an fool who doesn't know he's
an fool, it's an fool who doesn't know when to stop proving it. At
least your good at something.

 

All five of them? Wow ...

Can't you comprehend?

 

You can't spell. You can't read. You can't google.
Try listening. Listen to some facts.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Police-defen...-raid/tabid/367/articleID/242115/Default.aspx

 

Cheap shots as usual.

Try listening to someone other than the police. You might learn
something. But I doubt it.

 

If I was a shallow jerk like you I'd point out your typo and make some
snide, smug comment about your spelling skills. But instead I'll ask
you to tell us exactly how mounting an operation of this size made
the arrest cheaper for the taxpayer than a smaller, less flamboyant
one. And by exactly, I mean some dollars and cents facts, not just
some more of your questionable opinions.

I see you as a blathering fool who hasn't got the self-awareness to
recognise how ridiculous you are.
..