Many thanks to this News Group - under various names I have received nothing but curtesy, helpfulness and knowledgable advice. I live in the UK. Of course this is the WWW and you NZ'ers speak English. I have also posted stuff on alt.os.windows-xp, it appears that most posters are American. The sarcasm and abuse is disgraceful. It reflects very badly on Americans - most of whom that I have met personally are very polite people. Everybody has to start somewhere and you don't need nasty remarks pointing out your novice status. Once again thanks. One day Wales is going to beat you at rugby, but as I am 59 now I am not too optimistic of being there!