Wanting Certification-Where to start

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by Guest, Mar 26, 2006.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I informally handle our tech at our school/church (75 stations). Mostly P2P
    stuff. I want to get my MCSE, but am not sure if I should get my MCSA first
    or something else. And not sure where I can get training to pass the certs.
    AND, not sure if it's over my head. ANY help/direction you can provide is
    alot more than I have. Thanks in advance.
    Guest, Mar 26, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    Email me, I can help or atleast try.
    David Rodriguez
    C & D Computer Consulting
    Guest, Mar 26, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    Just remember the MCSA is before the MCSE, so you would start with MCP,
    MCSA, then MCSE. I have passed the 70-270, 70-290. If you need any help let
    me know.

    David Rodriguez
    C & D Computer Consulting
    Guest, Mar 26, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    It seems like a bit of catch-22. How do you get the experience without the
    certification, and how do you get the certification without the experience?
    Is there a "simulator" for lack of better term for Server 2003 or the like?
    How 'bout a good ground zero and up book/DVD/the like?
    Sorry for the cluelessness, but thanks in advance.
    Ps-I assume that the MCSA or MCSE cert are still the more marketable of the
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    What specifically did you find helpful to prep for the exams?
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Neil Guest

    did you hear =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQgUm9kcmlndWV6?=
    good advice.

    also have a look at www.microsoft.com/learning
    Neil, Mar 27, 2006
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    Neil Guest

    did you hear =?Utf-8?B?TUNFIE1hZG5lc3M=?=
    you build a lab
    Neil, Mar 27, 2006
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    Neil Guest

    did you hear =?Utf-8?B?RGF2aWQgUm9kcmlndWV6?=
    post here read here. let all of us learn together
    Neil, Mar 27, 2006
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    Mike T. Guest

    If you buy the 4-book set "Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Core Requirements"
    which covers 290, 291, 293, and 294, it comes with a 180-day version of 2k3
    Enterprise Server.


    Mike T.
    You have a cyclop perspective and taught android mentality =lobotomized
    analytical ability.
    Educated singularity stupid - You can't think 4 corner days.
    --Dr. Gene Ray, Wisest Human
    Mike T., Mar 27, 2006
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    Mike T. Guest

    I forgot to add: That set also comes with vouchers good for 15% off the
    price of each of the 4 exams.

    Mike T.
    If I tell a human that his 4-corner
    head (nose, 2 ears and back corner)
    has only a 1-corner face, the dumb-
    a** will say to me - "prove it". He
    knows not that his face is a corner. --Dr. Gene Ray, Wisest Human
    Mike T., Mar 27, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    Build a lab? Consisting of what? Moreover costing what?
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Mike T. Guest

    There are two main routes you can use (or a mix of the two, as I use):

    1. Get your hands on a few computers...old ones will do (as long as they
    meet the install requirements for the OS in question). eBay usually has a
    ton of listings. Also check in your neighborhood, especially when someone
    recently bought a new computer. Many people don't know what to do with
    computers that they no longer use. My next-door neighbor bought a new
    machine for her kid and gave me their old one (pentium 3, 450MHz...certainly
    not a speedster, but good enough for testing installation methods such as
    unattended and RIS). KVM switches mean you don't need to clog up your
    workspace with monitors.

    2. If you have a good machine that can handle it, get yourself a virtual
    machine system such as VMWare or Virtual PC. You can
    install/delete/break/fix OSs without affecting the rest of your system.

    You'll need a router for networking, of course.

    You can get yourself a perfectly good setup for a few hundred dollars.

    Mike T.
    You have a cyclop perspective and taught android mentality =lobotomized
    analytical ability.
    Educated singularity stupid - You can't think 4 corner days.
    --Dr. Gene Ray, Wisest Human
    Mike T., Mar 27, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    Based on what you have posted above, I am guessing that you will need some
    pretty serious study to pass some of the exams. Here's why I say that:

    I am assuming that based on the size of the organizations that you support
    right now you are basically doing desktop/printer support for a bunch of
    computers running primarily Win2K and XP (maybe some home, some Pro?). You
    might even have a couple of systems sprinkled in there that are running some
    of the older stuff like Win98SE. I am also assuming that you don't have any
    server operating systems running. Probably one or two computers with shared
    folders functioning as a file/print server and maybe a rudimetary web page or
    two, but nothing running on a Windows Server platform. Sooooooo... having
    said that here is what you will probably find:

    1) You will breeze through the 270 exam. XP is not that terrbily different
    than Windows2K and desktop support is desktop support. There are a few
    things that you will want to brush up on (volume shadow copy, remote desktop,
    and SUS come to mind), but you will probably be able to sit this exam
    comfortably with less than a month's prep, maybe 30 mins to an hour a night

    2) You will absolutely NEED to get your hands on (at a bare minimum) an
    evaluation copy of Microsoft Server 2003, install it on your network, and use
    it to learn. If you try to take these exams without server experience you
    will crash and burn. This is one of the reasons that training centers can
    and do charge to teach students...they create the lab environment and provide
    knowledgable instructors to help you along the path, but I digress...

    Once you have a server up and running you can experiment to your heart's
    content (because of this, do not put the server OS on a computer that is
    currently doing something useful on your network. I also don't recommend
    dual booting for this box. It is an unnecessary complication. ) There are
    several areas you have to absoulutely know cold to do well on these exams
    that you can play with once you have a server established. Make sure you
    have no questions on group policy, DNS, DHCP, and the relationship between
    NTFS permission and Share permissions.

    Now, the resources that other folks have mentioned lower in this thread are
    all good recommendations, and there is a lot of material out there. I have
    particularly heard good things about the Sybex books, but I have not used
    them myself. I am a big advocate of learning about a system by playing with
    it. With that said, I would say set the system up, and then USE and READ the
    excellent help files that are part of your system's built in documentation.
    In most cases they will at least point you in the right direction. I also
    recommend spending some quality time on the microsoft knowledge base. It can
    be tough to find exactly what you need, but usually the info is available if
    you look hard enough. It is also impossible to overstate the value of

    Now, after all of that, which boils down to RTFM, I recommend that you look
    into local training providers. They can be pricey, but the value of having
    someone in front of you who can answer questions and provide their experience
    as a resource is tough to beat.

    One more thing: unless you are the next Doogie Houser, don't be discouraged
    if you can't just sit down at the computer, take a test, and POOF! You are
    now an MCSE. The tests are hard for a reason. If they weren't, everyone
    would have the certification. Thats a good thing, because once you pass you
    become more marketable. When I decided to go for my MCSE I had about 7 years
    of experience designing/building/administering/maintaining telephone and
    computer networks in the Army. It took me 8 months to pass all 7 exams,
    taking classes 2 nights and roughly 10-15 hours of independant study each
    week during that time. i would say that all in all the process is rougly
    equivelant to one semester of college (which is not trivial if you are trying
    to do it at the same time as working full time).

    So, to summarize: You should be fine for 270. Get a copy of server 2003 up
    and running. Play with it, and read the help files. Use the MS knowledge
    base and any info you can find on Google for the topics you are wrestling
    with. Look into some local training and decide if you think its worthwhile
    to pay to have someone help you along.

    Hope this helps.
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    You nailed our scenario here!
    I'll peruse your inof. Thanks a ton for it.
    Thanks everyone elase, too. Keep it comin' if you have more.
    I'll be back with more later I'm sure.
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    OK, I give...
    What is a Virtual Machine System? I have a pretty hefty XP Pro system at
    home. Is a VMS basically a server emulator? In other words does is simulate
    a server and clients?
    Sorry for the neo questions.
    Guest, Mar 27, 2006
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    Just remember the MCSA is before the MCSE, so you would start with MCP,

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 27, 2006
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    Build a lab? Consisting of what? Moreover costing what?


    please let this be Rowdy goofing around, please.....

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 27, 2006
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    Kline Sphere Guest

    It seems like a bit of catch-22. How do you get the experience without the
    1 - Get a good Education.
    2 - Get a Job.
    3 - Get a better job, using the experience gained.
    4 - Get an even better job, using the experience gained.
    5 - ditto
    99 - Retire a rich man/woman.

    Note, not a word about certs.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
    Kline Sphere, Mar 27, 2006
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    JaR Guest

    OK, I can see it is time to point you to our reference manual. You can
    find it here:


    JaR, Mar 27, 2006
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    kpg Guest

    option explicit
    option cert

    private sub life()




    do until (wealth >= cMinWealthNeeded OR _
    age >= cMaxRetirementAge OR_

    do until (dead OR _



    end sub
    kpg, Mar 28, 2006
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