Vista 64 bit or Windows XP x64 edition ?

Discussion in 'Windows 64bit' started by Guest, Jul 13, 2007.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    "I still have to set the affinity for many processes manually to get a really
    smooth running machine, very annoying, but only have to do it once a day."
    That's quite a statement John. I don't remember ever having to do all that
    with 32-bit Windows. Good luck!
     
    Guest, Jul 15, 2007
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  2. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Some components of my computer were hand picked with the help of people at
    MajorGeeks forum. The parts were chosen to compliment one another and work
    together well. If you can't see that by reviewing the list of parts that I
    posted here, I don't think you know as much about computers as you think you
    do.

    Regarding the need to treat people offensively in order to get what you want
    in life tells me that you have a problem. You should speak with someone
    about it.

    "I would instantly relegate this machine (whatever it's components) to running
    a 32bit screensaver and get something else to do your job. The only insult
    conveyed through this remark is that you didn't come to this conclusion much
    sooner. You are way too patient!" You may need to rewrite this part of your
    post. It makes no sense.
     
    Guest, Jul 15, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Well, Carol, if you have Vista X64 waiting on your shelf in order to use it,
    it means that it is not good by itself, which is what I've been saying all
    along. You made my point for me. Drivers should have been included with the
    software. Without them, the os is no good so it's shelved.

    I didn't say that Winword doesn't work. I said that it is a 32-bit system
    version because Microsoft hasn't made it compatible with its own software,
    nor has it made it compatible with other Microsoft software, such as
    iexplore. You need to read an entire post and understand what was written
    before you try to trash what was said.

    Avast is a better anti-virus program for X64 than AVG.

    I have 15 ext hdds, so 5 ext hdds means nothing to me. Before anyone says
    that the problem lies with the fact that I have 15 hard drives, I've had no
    problem with Disk Management. I don't have more than 3 or 4 turned on at a
    time and, when they are on, they work well. My old 5-year old computer
    handled up to 10 turned on at the same time. It might have handled more but
    I only had 10 at the time.

    My motherboard may be 2 years old but it's BIOS has been updated, so your
    point is mute. No one but people with money can afford to replace their mobos
    every couple of years so your point is ridiculous.

    I have responded to many posts here and I think I made my stand very clear.
    I have not checked the box for the forum to notify me of replies so that I
    will not be posting here any longer. To do so would be to perpetuate this
    disagreement and I have no desire to do so. The points made by those who
    like X64 have too many holes in them simply because X64 was placed on the
    market before it was ready/stable/complete and it has too many holes in it.

    Good luck to everyone . . . I wish you happiness with your computers, 64-bit
    or 32-bit.
     
    Guest, Jul 15, 2007
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  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    One more thing . . . my mobo . . . not bad for a 2-year old

    "Biostar TForce6100-939 NVIDIA Socket 939 MicroATX Motherboard
    The TForce 6100-939 delivers great graphics and amazing multimedia
    capability. This stellar motherboard supports dual-channel memory, DDR400 up
    to 4GB, PCI Express 16x, PCI Express 1x, SATA, NVIDIA GeForce 6100 GPU video,
    5.1-channel audio and fast Ethernet LAN.
    - Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 6100
    - Front Side Bus: 2000MHz"

    This is a piece of hardware that was made with foresight. not hindsight like
    X64.
    -------------------------------

    "Chipset
    The TForce6100-939 motherboard is based on the NVIDIA GeForce 6100
    Northbridge chipset and the NVIDIA nForce 410 Southbridge chipset. It
    supports AMD Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 and Sempron Processors,
    with Hyper-Transport Technology and 2000MHz Front Side Bus support."

    I have a compatible AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz processor
    -------------------------------

    "Memory Expansion
    The TForce6100-939 provides 4 DIMM sockets using 184-pin DDR with a total
    capacity of up to 4GB. You can install DDR 400MHz Memory. "

    I have 2x1G twin sticks of RAM.
    -------------------------------

    "PCI Express Support
    The TForce6100-939 fully supports PCI Express, the latest I/O interconnect
    technology that speeds up the PCI bus. PCI Express features point-to-point
    serial interconnections between devices and allows higher clockspeeds by
    carrying data in packets. This high-speed interface is software compatible
    with existing PCI specifications." (too bad X64 doesn't know how to use it)
     
    Guest, Jul 15, 2007
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  5. Guest

    John Barnes Guest

    And you still wouldn't have to as you don't have a dual core processor. I
    used XP64 with no problems for over a year once I got all my hardware and
    software compatible. The machine I was running on was a single core 3500+
    and it ran beautifully. Vista64 is a resource hog, still has a few annoying
    bugs and hasn't been the solid performer that XP64 was. I used XP86 for
    about 5 years and it was a great system. I kept it in dual boot while using
    XP64 for use with two programs that would not run on XP64 and which I did
    not want to spend the money to replace. Hope all goes well for you. Sorry
    your experience was so frustrating.
     
    John Barnes, Jul 15, 2007
    #25
  6. Guest

    Theo Guest

    The hardware list you posted does not state you have
    dual-core CPU, so how would you be setting affinity with a
    single-core CPU?
     
    Theo, Jul 15, 2007
    #26
  7. I've used x64 on a system pretty similar to yours and it worked
    fine. I did look at the Biostar web site and they do have a bios
    flash that may be worth trying as well as a couple of drivers:

    http://tinyurl.com/2fcgqj

    When unexpected things happen to one of my systems, clearing the
    cmos by using the jumper on the motherboard sometimes allows
    things to work. It's something like clearing the slate and
    allowing the system to have a fresh start. While I'm inside the
    box, I'll usually reseat the RAM by freeing the retainer clips
    and then reinserting it.

    My guess is doing the driver updates, and flashing the bios, and
    clearing the cmos, and then reseating the RAM should take less
    than 1/2 an hour if you're able to get to the inside of your
    machine.

    Flatus
     
    Flatus Ohlfahrt, Jul 15, 2007
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  8. Guest

    John Hall Guest

    "moot"
     
    John Hall, Jul 16, 2007
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  9. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Well, you are being completely unrealistic (and slightly silly or
    mischievous) there Denise, although MS does include a lot of drivers for the
    OS (both XP x64 and Vista x64 come with a huge database of drivers, most of
    these will have been provided by the manufacturers of the hardware. It is
    NOT Microsoft's responsibility to write drivers for the thousands and
    thousands of different devices which you can attach to your system - and
    something like a hardware calibration puck is completely different than say a
    USB driver.
     
    Guest, Jul 16, 2007
    #29
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    Guest Guest

     
    Guest, Jul 22, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    If you had read my very short post stating that I never had a dual-core CPU
    nor that I had to set it to affinity, you would not have posted your
    statement. Look at the quote marks around the sentence. The sentence was
    written by someone else and I replied that I don't ever remember having to do
    that with 32-bit Windows.
     
    Guest, Jul 23, 2007
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  12. Guest

    Guest Guest

    My, my, how the insults fly when someone isn't expected to be around. I
    built my machine so I think I know how to get inside it. BTW, I could use a
    black case screw if anyone has one.

    My motherboard has a BIOS flashing utility built in, so there's no problem
    with that. Maybe you didn't read that when you were at the Biostar website.

    I have moved my RAM around to see if there was a better configuration for
    it, but you must have missed the post where I mentioned that.

    I moved the jumper on the pins and then put it back to its original position
    to clear CMOS.

    I've updated the driver for Nvidia and chipset, the only updated drivers
    available.

    The BIOS will have to wait until I get a FDD cable because the instructions
    were very clear to put the BIOS update on a floppy and install it from it.

    I don't know much about computers but I know a bit. If you people would
    stop looking down your noses, this forum would work.
     
    Guest, Jul 23, 2007
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  13. Guest

    Guest Guest

    If there's one thing I'm not, it's naive. I'm practical and insightful. Did
    you have to supply drivers when you progressed from 95 to 98 to 2000? I
    didn't.

    I have an update for my CPU but in order to install it, I have to uninstall
    the present one. When I attempt to do so, I receive a message from Microsoft
    which states, "Setup.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We
    are sorry for the inconvenience." Inconvenience is a very mile term that I'd
    use for this joke of an os. It's more like a pain in the a** every step of
    the way. Nothing goes smoothly or as it should.

    Microsoft may not have the responsibility to supply drivers for the X64 os,
    but it did have the responsibility to inform potential buyers that it lacks
    necessary drivers. Right there is one important instance where Microsoft
    went wrong. I never would have bought it if the outside package contained a
    warning to that affect.

    Even updated drivers that are available don't work.

    Here is another severe warning that I received after installing the updated
    drivers for On-Board Audio and On-Board VGA. As I said, X64 will fight a
    user every step of the way:

    "A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent
    damage to your computer

    Driver_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR-EQUAL

    If this is the first time you've seen this error screen, restart your
    computer. If this screen appears again, follow these steps:

    Check to ensure any new hardware or software is properly nstalled. If this
    is a new installation, ask your hardware or software manufacturer for any
    Windows updates you might need. If problems continue, disable or remove any
    newly installed hardware or software. Disable BIOS memory options such as
    caching or shadowing. If you need to use Safe Mode to remove or disable
    components, restart your computer, press F8 to select Advanced Setup options,
    and then select Safe Mode.

    Technical Information:
    *** STOP: 0X000000D1 (0X0000000000000015, 0X0000000000000002,
    0X000000000000000, 0XFFFFFADFBC919C4B) ***

    nv_mini,sys - Address FFFFFADFBC919C4B base at FFFFFADFBC8C0000, Date Stamp
    46313285

    Beginning dump of physical memory
    Physical memory dump complete. "
     
    Guest, Jul 23, 2007
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    John Barnes Guest

    Works for most OP. If not for you, then why are you here. You said you
    were leaving. 64-bit isn't for everyone and it would appear that you would
    be better served and happier if you stayed with 32-bit. Do you even have a
    real reason to run 64-bit. Since you don't have a need for RAM abilities
    (you only have 2gig), do you have native 64-bit programs? If not, why are
    you beating your head against the wall.
     
    John Barnes, Jul 24, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    If you're telling me that I don't have the right to be here, I believe this
    is still America, not Gates. Whatever my reasons for having X64 are my own,
    but the box that it came in didn't specify that it's for a certain useage.
    Another fact held back from consumers. Thank you for making another point
    for me.
     
    Guest, Jul 24, 2007
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  16. Guest

    Theo Guest

    Have you figured where you came from and/or where you're
    going yet?

    You certainly sound confused and lost to me.

    If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information,
    then take the initiative to do some research. There are
    numerous references about 64-bit Windows on the internet
    that point out the good, the bad, and how to determine if
    64-bit is appropriate for you.

    If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with
    64-bit Windows operating systems, then you're welcome.
    However, most of your posts have been to complain about and
    deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not constructive!

    You really sound like a neophyte trying to blame others for
    your inexperience and ignorance.
     
    Theo, Jul 24, 2007
    #36
  17. Guest

    Guest Guest

    In this thread, the person asked:

    "I'd like to hear from people who have used both in anger and see if any
    valid arguements exist for sticking with XP, say it's considerably more
    stable etc, given that long term the future is with vista anyway."


    You said:

    "If you want to come to this forum to honestly seek help with 64-bit Windows
    operating systems, then you're welcome. However, most of your posts have been
    to complain about and deride 64-bit Windows and Microsoft. That is not
    constructive!"

    Given the request of the author of this thread, it's you who shouldn't post
    in this thread because you don't know what it's about. It appears that it is
    you who is confused and lost here, not I.

    I very much think that voicing my opinion regarding X64 is constructive,
    even if it wasn't the topic of conversation, but it is. People like you will
    defend X64 to your deaths and you give the illusion, as you've done here,
    that it's the user who is the cause of the problem when it's really X64.
    I've been using machines for 30 years, starting with the Wang Word Processor,
    graduating to DOS, and I then went on to Windows 95, 98, 2000 XP, so I know a
    lot about how operating systems should work and X64 is poor.


    You said:

    "If you think Microsoft is withholding critical information, then take the
    initiative to do some research."

    Most of the information on the internet regarding X64 was written by people
    like you who thinks that Micorsoft's s*** doesn't stink. The information
    should have been on the package. I bought X64 more than a year ago when
    there was little to no critiques about it. I don't watch television so my
    choice to use X64 was based on the general consensus of opinion at the that
    it was the next generation of Windows. It very well is but it turned out to
    be a terrible one.

    In addition, you have no right to tell me or anyone else not to post in
    these forums. By doing so, it sounds like you also want to cover up
    something about X64 and it angers you to the point when you can't discuss
    this topic rationally, in a mature manner, without name-calling and insults.
    Those are the types of comments that are inappropriate in all threads, not
    opinions about Microsoft products.
     
    Guest, Jul 24, 2007
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  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I have updated my drivers, but I hope the link given will help others, so I'm
    glad you posted it.

    It seems that you and Adobe Acrobat disagree about it's ability to run in an
    X64 os.

    http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=331732&sliceId=2

    If you can't get X64 to open the url, let me know and I'll copy and paste
    the very lengthy problems associated with using Adobe Acrobat on an X64
    system.

    My old computer, which was 5 years old, ran up to 13 ext hdds at a time. I
    installed Windows 2000 XP Pro and it never blinked an eye. With X64, I have
    to limit the number of running ext hdds to 4 because X64 will crash if I turn
    on more.

    Biostar's TFORCE 6100-939 mobo is rock solid, well known by gamers and for
    overclocking. I don't do gaming nor have I overclocked the BIOS so that it's
    in its original state, except for updated drivers. You should investigate pc
    components more thoroughly before making an overall assumption that it's no
    good because of it's age.

    BTW, Avast is a better anti-virus program for an X64 os than AVG.
     
    Guest, Jul 24, 2007
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  19. Guest

    Theo Guest

    The major difference is that I know most of the limitations
    of Win x64 and I utilize it for it's strengths. I did a lot
    of research looking for drivers and peripheral hardware that
    had x64 drivers. Yes, there are deficiencies in Win x64,
    but I haven't found any operating system that is perfect.

    Arguments are totally unnecessary. All anyone has to do is
    do research and evaluate whether Win x64 is appropriate for
    their situation. One of the best resources is Charlie
    Russel's paper on Win x64.

    It's like buying a vehicle. One researches the available
    products and determines which vehicle he/she wants. One
    doesn't buy a Ford and then complain because it isn't a Chevy.

    I definitely am not lost. I know exactly where I have been
    and I periodically evaluate my objects to determine if I am
    proceeding in a reasonable and logical manner to where I
    know I want to go.

    I have been using, repairing, building, setting up networks,
    and programming computers for long time. I have worked with
    CP/M, MS-DOS, OS/2, Unix, Linux, Apple OS, Atari OS, PDP/11
    OS, and many others.

    And, I guess you're right. If you want to throw a temper
    tantrum, scream and kick your feet, then you have every
    right to do so. Hope you feel better when you stop!
     
    Theo, Jul 24, 2007
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  20. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I don't want to argue. I replied to Royston H's request for opinions of X64.
    I gave mine and, since then, people have been arguing with me.

    Can't you write a post without insulting people?
    --
    Denise

    ~ If you don't know where you came from, you won't know where you're going.
     
    Guest, Jul 24, 2007
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