[UK-Bug] News .. Plusnet

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Andy Jenkins, Dec 12, 2003.

  1. Andy Jenkins

    Andy Jenkins Guest

    Plusnet launch 150k service - but is it broadband ?

    "Some 2 months after rival ISP Tiscali launched their 150k broadband,
    Plusnet have joined the ranks of 150k offers - but have missed one
    important thing."

    Andy Jenkins, Dec 12, 2003
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    Martin² Guest

    Plusnet launch 150k service - but is it broadband ?

    Not only it isn't BB, they are reselling Tiscali's product !
    Well, at least is £1 cheaper, but the connection fee is eye watering
    Martin², Dec 12, 2003
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    nick Guest

    150k is like 10x narrower than your typical US broadband connection.
    Basically ISDN with knobs on.
    nick, Dec 12, 2003
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    Tx2 Guest

    What would you prefer for 15 quid a month?
    Why does everyone 'moan' about this 150k connection?
    It's ideal for some people.
    Tx2, Dec 12, 2003
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    Bob Eager Guest

    If it uses more than one frequency (which it does) then technically it
    is broadband. The term does not relate to the actual speed.
    Bob Eager, Dec 12, 2003
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    Henry Hooray Guest

    I think the 'moan' is that this offering is being presented as broadband.
    When it isn't really, is it.

    Certainly it's fine for some people. Particularly as long as they know what
    they are buying.

    Henry Hooray, Dec 13, 2003
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    Tx2 Guest

    In newsgroup meesage <brdksi$7hc$>, c2mipq402
    @sneakeLEAVETHISOUTmail.com, a.k.a Henry Hooray says...

    It isn't though ... at least not by Plusnet?
    Tx2, Dec 13, 2003
  8. Indeed. I'm using NTL's 150k product, because (a) it's cheaper and (b)
    now they have the 1GB/day cap there is no point in my using anything
    faster, I can still d/l more than a gig a day at that speed
    (theoretically almost 2GB in a day). I don't do gaming or other fast
    response stuff, or P2P. Having a faster upload stream would be useful,
    but for what I want 64k is usable (I'm not trying to serve graphics,
    just text).

    They've shot themselves in the foot with the 'cap', because apart from
    hardcore gamers and people who absolutely /must/ get web pages
    'instantly' there is no point in going to the higher speed (and more
    expensive) services.

    (And as stated before, I can't get ADSL because I'm too far from the
    exchange, they say.)

    Chris C
    Chris Croughton, Dec 13, 2003
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    Henry Hooray Guest

    Techies can hopefully tell the difference. I haven't seen Plusnet's
    promotion, but others have in the past made a big thing out of the fast
    Internet-connections etc, undoubtedly playing on the similarities in
    people's minds between this offering and the 'real thing'.

    So: I don't know! It would be good it they haven't, and that be delight me.
    But others have certainly tried to pull a fast one, but not as fast as

    Henry Hooray, Dec 13, 2003
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    Tim Clark Guest

    Exactly. Using the term technically, 100 Mbps ethernet over UTP is not
    broadband, it's baseband; whilst some methods of transmitting Morse Code
    at around 1 byte per second would be broadband.

    The term "broadband" then started to be used by marketing types and
    politicos for something different, implying some sense of speed. One has
    to accept that words do get appropriated like that. It's unreasonable to
    insist the word is only used as per its original precise technical
    definition, which had no association with speed. It _is_ unreasonably to
    assume that in its new non-technical use that it has any fixed meaning.
    Having been appropriated for use in marketing and politics, it will mean
    whatever those using the term wish it to mean at the time.

    A 150 kbps service is obviously broadband if Plusnet want to call it that
    in their usage of the term. It's obviously not broadband to someone who
    feels like using the term for speeds of 10 Mbps and above only. Such use
    is not related to the original technical term.

    Tim Clark

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    Tim Clark, Dec 13, 2003
  11. Bit late for the reply I know, but for the record, we have
    deliberately avoided describing this as broadband - It isn't broadband
    (It is ADSL though) and we are not selling this product on that basis.
    DSL Connect does share some of the benefits (Untying the phone line,
    Always On, No screaming cats etc) but we are taking the high ground on
    this one!


    PlusNet Support Team, Dec 17, 2003
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    Andy Jenkins Guest

    Whaaaaaat ?

    ISPs with MORALITY ?

    What IS the world coming too ? Before long we'll end up with ISPs
    like BTOpenworld offering a competitively priced decent service if
    this carries on !

    Andy Jenkins, Dec 17, 2003
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    Martin² Guest

    PlusNet support:
    High enough to publicly admit it's a Tiscali nearly throttled 150k ADSL ?
    What, No screaming cats either ?
    Martin², Dec 17, 2003
  14. It IS broadband. Go look the definition up in the dictionary.

    Bob { Goddard }, Dec 18, 2003
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    Dr Zoidberg Guest

    There is no single standard for what constitutes broadband.

    Most ISPs and consumers would agree on 512k , apart from those trying to
    market 150k connections .
    Dr Zoidberg, Dec 18, 2003
  16. Yes there is. It's defined withing IEEE. It's also defined
    in my Collins English Dictionary. Everything else is just
    marketing speak.

    Bob { Goddard }, Dec 18, 2003
  17. given the "not fast enough" brigade, whatever it is called there will be
    some complaints, whether just posted in newsgroups or misguided ones to
    magazines or authorities. Avoiding the use of the term seems a smart
    move, if only to avoid complaints and be able to market it in peace.
    Peter Morgan - 0870 432 9631, Dec 18, 2003
  18. Broadband refers to a technical description of how the connectivity
    is physically delivered. It is clearly defined by the IEEE, and
    I suspect the ITU. As such ADSL is a broadband technology regardless
    of the speed delivered. Any other descriptions are meaningless
    marketing speak.

    Jonathan Buzzard, Dec 18, 2003
  19. Yep - No problems there, although we didn't shout about this for the
    obvious reasons ;-)

    Bear in mind, this is not Tiscali ADSL we are talking about here. DSL
    Connect uses Tiscali's network for the Datastream In Span Handover. If
    you would describe this as meaning that is it a Tiscali ADSL product,
    then you are also saying that you would describe every ISPs product
    that relies on IPStream as being a BT product. This fails to take into
    account the fact that an ISP provides a lot more than just a
    connection, but I can see where you are coming from if this is what
    you think.

    We don't need to split hairs about this anyway - Time will tell us how
    good DSL Connect will be - it's a trial and is being offered as such.


    PlusNet Support Team, Dec 19, 2003
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    Chris Guest

    I was thinking of trying this but have been put of with the connection
    charge,and the idea that after all that cost it is only a trial and could
    end up out of pocket again !

    Bring on free connection !

    Chris, Dec 19, 2003
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