"Dave - Dave.net.nz" <> wrote in message news:... > Dont you just hate it when you make a bid, it reaches reserve, someone out > bids you, you go out to lunch and buy the same product new, and then they > seller removes the top bidder making you the top bidder, and the seller > refuses to remove your bid. > > Grrr, I hate trademe users. > > (and yes, I realise I'm one of them) > > -- > http://dave.net.nz <- My personal site. > http://synaptic.net.nz <- Dunedin Based IT and ISP services Dave Not sure how regular Auctions rules apply to online Auctions but: As I understand it the 'Underbidder' (you in this case) has every right to accept "OR DECLINE" once an Overbidders offer has been declined, withdrawn or refused. I believe this is to thwart the 'phantom' bidder others have alluded to pushing the price up beyond what the price would have naturally been. One only has to remember the furore created when the Real Estate program on TV a while ago revealed 'phantom bids' occuring during house auctions. While the Real Estate industry stuck their collective heads in their self interested sand, every one else condemned this 'reprehensible' practice out of hand. Put another way 'bidding' at an auction is buying the right to complete a contract with the vendor at a minimum value, once someone outbids you, you have lost the right to complete the contract with the vendor. Some may argue the vendor retains the right to decline what may be a suspect, false or dubious bid, fair enough. I would however argue that the posting of the 'bid' on the page gives notice the vendor is satisfied the bid is 'legitimate' If you think about a real live 'human' Auction, the Auctioneer will either accept or reject any 'bid' at the time it is made. If the Auctioneer accepts the bid the underbidders liabilty to complete the contract (to buy the autioned item) ceases forthwith, and reverts to the underbidders right to accept or decline as I stated before. If on the other hand the Auctioneer declines a bid, the previously highest bidder knows immediately they are still the 'top' bidder and legally bound to complete the purchase. Perhaps it is time online auctions to channel all bids to the vendor first for their contractual acceptance before posting to the page. Just thinking. Cheers Paul.