Trackers Second Review Response

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by Murray Cooper, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. No, cable lines and phone lines are different animals. Some cable companies
    will sell you phone service over your cable connection, but it remains a
    cable TV line and not a phone line. They're different on a basic phyical
    level: phone lines are twisted pair while cable lines are coax.

    Chris Mattern
     
    Chris Mattern, Oct 2, 2003
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  2. You have no standards.
     
    Murray Cooper, Oct 2, 2003
    #62
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  3. Yes, but in space no-one can hear the grammar police scream.
     
    FromTheRafters, Oct 2, 2003
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  4. True, but if someone misunderstands you, it is nice to be able to
    show that what was inferred was not what was implied, and have
    a basis on which to prove it. If gramattical rules are set aside, the
    language can get awfully "wishy-washy".

    "I saw many people driving my car to work from home".

    The above statement can easily be misunderstood in a variety
    of ways even though the person saying it may believe, as you
    do, that the the point came across. The egocentric "I know
    what I meant" is not sufficient to make that statement valid.
     
    FromTheRafters, Oct 2, 2003
    #64
  5. Murray Cooper

    Mike Guest

    That particular example can be misunderstood because there is no context and
    no inflection. This is common with the written word but less common with the
    spoken word as other cues are given by word emphasis and gestures for
    example.

    Anyway, I know when I'm beaten and I'll shut up now :)
     
    Mike, Oct 2, 2003
    #65
  6. Murray Cooper

    Phil Weldon Guest

    Don't give up! You are correct! Even the OED and The New Fowler's Modern
    English Usage (3rd. Ed.) support you! There is no Academe Francaise for
    English! And does one (attempt to split, attempt to properly split) an
    infinitive in English in the absence of two parts for the splitting? Is
    'to' part of the infinitive structure in English? I think not! For
    example: "She helped him to understand the lesson" and "She helped him
    understand the lesson" are contain the same infinitive form, but one
    explicitly contains "to" and the other not. What does 'better' split in
    "She helped him better understand the lesson"? Is changing the sentence to
    "She helped him to better understand the lesson." or to "She helped him
    better to understand the lesson." either a contribution to the language?
    What is appropriate for Latin, with its rigid grammar and syntax, is merely
    arrant arid pedantry when applied to English; a feudal tail of recived
    English in the southern counties of Edwardian England . After all, a Latin
    infinitive CAN'T be split, being a single word.

    Phil Weldon,
     
    Phil Weldon, Oct 2, 2003
    #66
  7. Murray Cooper

    Phil Weldon Guest

    Well, not really. In the USA, at least, the majority of 'phone
    conversations' have a digital phase; even intra-city calls. That
    circumstance can, in fact, prevent ADSL service (which depends on analog
    techniques between the end user and the concentrator.) These days a 'phone
    line' can be most anything (except a piece of string.) Real soon now there
    will not be any 'phone line' at all, just a microwave bath. Soon I expect
    to have a cable connection for entertainment delivery and Internet activity
    and exclusively wireless for 'voice' communication and point of purchase
    transactions (as now becoming the case in Finland.) One of the things that
    most bothers me about the 'swen' type worm is that soon your e-mail address,
    physical location, and telephone number will all be closely coupled

    Phil Weldon,
     
    Phil Weldon, Oct 2, 2003
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  8. Murray Cooper

    |{evin Guest

    DSL = Digital Subscriber _Line_, don't think wireless qualifies.
     
    |{evin, Oct 3, 2003
    #68
  9. Murray Cooper

    |{evin Guest

    Tell that to the people of Nelson County, KY... they get cable down,
    telephone up... similar to 1-way satellite.

    I was considering purchasing a home in that area until I discovered
    that bit of information.
     
    |{evin, Oct 3, 2003
    #69
  10. Murray Cooper

    |{evin Guest


    It's hella cool, too. I get digital cable, broadband, and telephone
    (VoIP, neato!) all with only little coax cable... all on one bill..


    ....until the cable goes out.. only happened once for a few hours...
    but it was enough to almost drive me bonkers.
     
    |{evin, Oct 3, 2003
    #70
  11. Murray Cooper

    Mimic Guest

    Ok thats enough of Dawsons Creek for you young man

    --
    Mimic

    "Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
    "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
    and those that dont."
    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
    when you do, it blows away your whole leg"
     
    Mimic, Oct 3, 2003
    #71
  12. Murray Cooper

    Mimic Guest

    Schwinn ? I sthat some kind of Russian Windows ? heh

    --
    Mimic

    "Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
    "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
    and those that dont."
    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
    when you do, it blows away your whole leg"
     
    Mimic, Oct 3, 2003
    #72
  13. Murray Cooper

    Mimic Guest

    yuh indeed, and for anyone wondering ADSL is Asymetric Digital Subscriber
    Line. (sp)
    But some wireless devices are talked about as having "line". Just a question
    anyway, cuz I dont considered wireless or sat to be dsl :p

    --
    Mimic

    "Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
    "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
    and those that dont."
    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
    when you do, it blows away your whole leg"
     
    Mimic, Oct 3, 2003
    #73
  14. Murray Cooper

    Mimic Guest

    heh not that she'll read it, Ok so as my gov is cheap and wont update my
    exchange or anything else round here, would i be in/correct in saying that
    "cable" services such as NTL in the UK always provide the phone with the tv
    ?

    --
    Mimic

    "Without Knowledge you have fear, With fear you create your own nightmares."
    "There are 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand Binary,
    and those that dont."
    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but
    when you do, it blows away your whole leg"
     
    Mimic, Oct 3, 2003
    #74
  15. Well, you weren't wrong, but I think you see my point about
    bad grammar too. It is useless to try to enforce proper usage
    of rules of grammar in such an informal setting, but I find myself
    sometimes asking posters to rephrase their questions so that I
    can understand them. People with English as a second language
    often do better than native English speaking people in this regard
    because native English speaking people even understand each
    other when they say grammatically correct things like "Crack
    the window and hit the lights before you hit the hay". You may
    think that you are getting the point across, but maybe you are not.
     
    FromTheRafters, Oct 3, 2003
    #75
  16. Murray Cooper

    Frode Guest

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    How does it prevent ADSL? You can even go all digital straight out of your
    house (ISDN) and still use the same copper pair for ADSL alongside the
    ISDN.


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    Frode, Oct 3, 2003
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  17. I don't know about the UK, but in my country, The Netherlands (a.k.a.
    "Holland"), "cable" services provide TV/radio, often optional Internet
    access, and sometimes optional phone access, so phones are *not* "always
    provided with the TV". For example I have cable TV/radio+Internet, but a
    normal phone line. As another poster said, everything over one media
    also has its disadvantages, for example how can you call the cable
    company and ask them when their bloody cable will be back on-line
    again? :)
     
    Frank Slootweg, Oct 3, 2003
    #77
  18. Murray Cooper

    Jeff Cochran Guest

    Naturally, why do anything current?
    Why should there be anything different between the book and the posts
    here?
    Poor sports.
    That's a major problem. Security tactics as defined by a basic home
    user is useless. Your neurosurgeon doesn't read a book by someone who
    tried doing a lobotomy on a cat on the kitchen table and then wrote
    about the interesting things they saw and then walk into the operating
    room, it would be extremely dangerous. The same is true of the
    readers of your "book".
    To validate your findings. That's simply good publishing practice,
    otherwise your book is pretty much useless in the field.

    There's nothing wrong with publishing your experiences and what you
    did. What get's everyone angry is that you post as if you're an
    expert and these are definitive answers to security issues. Which
    they aren't.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff Cochran, Oct 3, 2003
    #78
  19. Murray Cooper

    RCH Guest

    | | | | | | |
    ( * * )
    oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
    | PLEASE DoN'T |
    | fEeD, pLonK, |
    | OR aNnOY |
    | tHe TrOlls |
    +--oooO--------Oooo--+
    ( ) ( )
    | ( ) |
    (____) (____)
    Rob
     
    RCH, Oct 3, 2003
    #79
  20. Murray Cooper

    RCH Guest

    | | | | | | |
    ( * * )
    oOOo-----(_)-----oOOo
    | PLEASE DoN'T |
    | fEeD, pLonK, |
    | OR aNnOY |
    | tHe TrOlls |
    +--oooO--------Oooo--+
    ( ) ( )
    | ( ) |
    (____) (____)
    Rob
     
    RCH, Oct 3, 2003
    #80
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