Tiscali news problems

Discussion in 'Home Networking' started by Mortimer, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. Mortimer

    Mortimer Guest

    Does anyone know if Tiscali broadband connections block all access to news
    servers at certain times of day? I get intermittent access to
    news.individual.net from Windows Mail (Vista 32) over my girlfriend's
    Tiscali connection whereas on my own PlusNet connection I can always get
    access. I've tried alternative ports 8119 and 80 (with
    server=port80.individual.net in the latter case). Even access to Tiscali's
    own news.tiscali.co.uk is blocked.

    The symptom is that when I click on a newsgroup, I see a count of the number
    of new messages but no list of messages, or else on the rare occasions when
    I see a list of messages, I cannot open any.

    The NNTP log file shows

    Microsoft Internet Messaging API Resources 6.0.6002.18005
    (lh_sp2rtm.090410-1830)
    NNTP Log started at 02/06/2010 11:52:58
    NNTP: 11:52:58 [db] Connecting to 'news.individual.net' on port 8119.
    NNTP: 11:53:00 [db] Connection to 'news.individual.net' closed.

    Microsoft Internet Messaging API Resources 6.0.6002.18005
    (lh_sp2rtm.090410-1830)
    NNTP Log started at 02/06/2010 11:53:00
    NNTP: 11:53:00 [db] Connecting to 'news.individual.net' on port 8119.
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 200 The server welcomes
    88-109-244-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (88.109.244.223). Authorization
    required for reading and posting.
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [tx] MODE READER
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 200 You are already in this mode. Ignored.
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [tx] AUTHINFO USER <myusername>
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 381 PASS required
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [tx] AUTHINFO PASS ************
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 281 Authentication accepted. (UID=310294)
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [tx] GROUP uk.railway
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 211 37551 1022635 1060395 uk.railway
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [tx] XOVER 1060394-1060395
    NNTP: 11:53:09 [rx] 224 1060394-1060395 fields follow
    NNTP: 11:53:42 [db] Connection to 'news.individual.net' closed.

    In other words, I get part-way through the process and the server drops the
    connection - though it may be an intermediate server rather than
    news.individual.net's server that is dropping.


    (I won 't be able to post this message until news access comes back again!)
     
    Mortimer, Feb 6, 2010
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  2. Mortimer

    Mortimer Guest

    A few minutes later and it works again - but for how long?

    Now the log shows something sensible:

    Microsoft Internet Messaging API Resources 6.0.6002.18005
    (lh_sp2rtm.090410-1830)
    NNTP Log started at 02/06/2010 12:19:27
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [db] Connecting to 'news.individual.net' on port 119.
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [rx] 200 The server welcomes
    88-109-244-223.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (88.109.244.223). Authorization
    required for reading and posting.
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [tx] MODE READER
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [rx] 200 You are already in this mode. Ignored.
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [tx] AUTHINFO USER <myusername>
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [rx] 381 PASS required
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [tx] AUTHINFO PASS ************
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [rx] 281 Authentication accepted. (UID=310294)
    NNTP: 12:19:27 [tx] POST
    NNTP: 12:19:28 [rx] 340 Ok, recommended ID <>
    NNTP: 12:19:28 [tx]
    ..
    NNTP: 12:19:29 [rx] 240 Article posted <>
    NNTP: 12:19:29 [db] Connection to 'news.individual.net' closed.
    NNTP: 12:19:38 [tx] GROUP rec.arts.mystery
    NNTP: 12:19:38 [rx] 211 8509 578571 587097 rec.arts.mystery
    NNTP: 12:19:39 [tx] GROUP uk.comp.home-networking
    NNTP: 12:19:40 [rx] 211 328 39266 39602 uk.comp.home-networking
    NNTP: 12:19:40 [tx] XOVER 39602-39602
    NNTP: 12:19:40 [rx] 224 39602-39602 fields follow
    NNTP: 12:19:47 [tx] GROUP uk.media.tv.misc
    NNTP: 12:19:47 [rx] 211 26826 944876 971782 uk.media.tv.misc
    NNTP: 12:19:47 [tx] XOVER 971780-971782
    NNTP: 12:19:48 [rx] 224 971780-971782 fields follow
    NNTP: 12:19:52 [tx] GROUP uk.railway
    NNTP: 12:19:52 [rx] 211 37559 1022635 1060403 uk.railway
    NNTP: 12:19:52 [tx] XOVER 1060396-1060403
    NNTP: 12:19:53 [rx] 224 1060396-1060403 fields follow
    NNTP: 12:19:57 [tx] ARTICLE 1060399
    NNTP: 12:19:58 [rx] 220 1060399
    <> article


    So what's going on?
     
    Mortimer, Feb 6, 2010
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  3. Mortimer

    Rob Morley Guest

    I'd try a proper news client before blaming the network or server.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 6, 2010
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  4. Mortimer

    Mortimer Guest

    Actually I tried "telnet news.individual.net 119" and "telnet
    news.tiscali.co.uk 119", to eliminate any transient problem with OE. The
    former sometimes gave me a login prompt whereas the latter never did at time
    when OE had problems. This, taken with Graham U's reponse to the thread,
    makes me suspect that Tiscali are playing silly buggers.
     
    Mortimer, Feb 6, 2010
    #4
  5. I'd say nothing to do with Tiscali or NIN but your software or its
    configuration is f*sked. Why is it trying and failing on port 8119 then
    trying and succeeding on (the correct NNP) port 119?

    Tony
     
    Anthony R. Gold, Feb 7, 2010
    #5
  6. Whoops - please insert the missing "N" in the appropriate place.

    Tony
     
    Anthony R. Gold, Feb 7, 2010
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  7. Mortimer

    Rob Morley Guest

    I wonder if they're using some sort of deep packet inspection that's
    excluding protocols not related to e.g. web and mail access. It seems
    silly to be blocking their own services when they could just be
    throttling them, but maybe they're actually targeting something like P2P
    file sharing and this is just collateral damage.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 7, 2010
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  8. Mortimer

    Jeff Gaines Guest

    NIN supports port 8119 for use when your ISP throttles 119.

    The OP might be better off using port 80 - see:
    http://news.individual.net/faq.php#1.13

    It worked for me when Demon started throttling news.
     
    Jeff Gaines, Feb 7, 2010
    #8
  9. Thanks. Been with NIN (and fu-berlin before that) for very many years
    and I never knew (or even needed to know) that.

    Note the log says "Connection ... closed." Unless Tiscali was acting as a
    proxy I don't believe anything they could do would cause that message.

    Tony
     
    Anthony R. Gold, Feb 7, 2010
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  10. Mortimer

    Rob Morley Guest

    That's why I assumed it was the news client failing to handle an error
    gracefully - mine sees errors on NIN but carries on with the next
    group, his might think that the server had closed the connection when
    in fact it hadn't.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 7, 2010
    #10
  11. Mortimer

    John Palmer Guest

    Hi,

    I have similar problems with Tiscali blocking NIN on 119 usually in the
    evenings, (not that I am around much in the daytime to compare) but yes it
    is Tiscali for definite. (Or Talk Talk as they are now known)
     
    John Palmer, Feb 14, 2010
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  12. Mortimer

    John Palmer Guest

    Not quite correct.....
    I would recommend you started using http://www.eternal-september.org/ for
    newgroups. This news-server is configurable for port 443 which Tiscali
    never blocks at any time. Better still its free.
    I have been using it for a long time because of the Tiscali issue of
    blocking port 119. Good luck.
     
    John Palmer, Feb 14, 2010
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  13. Mortimer

    John Palmer Guest

    I would recommend you started using http://www.eternal-september.org/ for
    newgroups.
    This news-server is configurable for port 443 which Tiscali never blocks at
    any time. Better still its free.
    I have been using it for a long time because of the Tiscali issue of
    blocking port 119.
     
    John Palmer, Feb 14, 2010
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  14. Harry Bloomfield, Feb 14, 2010
    #14
  15. John Palmer submitted this idea :
    Along with a newsreader which supports your doing that - I use Mesnews
    which does.
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Feb 14, 2010
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  16. Mortimer

    Mortimer Guest

    Even port 80 and port.individual.net fails to work at times. Somehow Tiscali
    seem to be allowing HTTP and blocking news traffic on the same port.

    I'll try http://www.eternal-september.org/ and port 443. Shame as I've just
    paid for the news.individual.net account because my own ISP's news server,
    news.plus.net is not accessible from Tiscali at any time of day or night (as
    far as I can tell).
     
    Mortimer, Feb 14, 2010
    #16
  17. Mortimer wrote on 14/02/2010 :
    Tiscali closed down their news servers several months back, likely they
    also closed the plus one down too. They could never really be relied
    upon.
     
    Harry Bloomfield, Feb 14, 2010
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  18. Mortimer

    Tony Guest

    Does news.individual.net not provide NNTP over SSL (port 443) then?

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    Tony Evans
    Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
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    Tony, Feb 15, 2010
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  19. Mortimer

    John Palmer Guest

     
    John Palmer, Feb 15, 2010
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  20. Mortimer

    Tony Guest

    Tony, Feb 15, 2010
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