The end is near for 35mm? Or is it? When is the end?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by j, Sep 30, 2006.

  1. Well, I intended to be pointing out that there actually was a logical reason
    for someone to use MF rather than arguing that there was going to be a
    No problem; keeping me on the right track is appreciated. Again, I don't
    intend to be saying that MF will be make a resurgence. Even if someone came
    out with a decent MF back at a reasonable price, it would still have to cost
    more than a 5D, and lenses would be a problem. Also, with Bronica out of the
    business and (what's left of) Mamiya cancelling their manual focus 645
    camera, the 645 choices are too limited. Sigh. At one point, someone was
    making a digital back that came with interchangeable frobs that allowed it
    to be used on a whole bunch of MF cameras, but that's unlikely to happen at
    a reasonable price level since there won't be enough MF cameras in
    production to justify it.

    If scanning weren't such a bear, 6x7 or 6x9 would make sense for people who
    need a tad better quality at 16x20 than the 5D can produce, and there's at
    least one art photographers who carries both a 5D and a Mamiya 7.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 4, 2006
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    George Deliz Guest

    Canon EF and A1 with 6 lenses. Got a roll of K25 in the freezer too.
    Expired in 02. Haven't shot a frame of film in nearly 5 years.

    George Deliz
    George Deliz, Oct 5, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    And the good news is that you can get a cheap Canon DSLR and still
    use your lenses.

    Scott W, Oct 5, 2006
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    Paul Rubin Guest

    Hasselblad just announced the H3D and some new lenses. It has a
    36x48mm sensor (your choice of 22mp or 39mp) and I suppose the sensor
    size starts the APS-C war all over again. Eventually I suppose there
    will be a "full frame" digital Hassy with a 6x6 cm sensor (actually
    a little smaller I think, to be the same size as a film frame).
    Paul Rubin, Oct 5, 2006
  5. At twice the size of FF 35mm, that's actually a reasonable sized sensor.
    With the 35mm lens, it gives roughly a 24mm FOV, which ain't bad, but ain't
    particularly wide. (There's a new lens that may get down to a 20mm FOV, I

    (You may not be aware that the H-series Hasselblads are Fuji manufactured
    645, not 6x6 cameras. FWIW, with film, 645 is 42 x 56mm, 6x6 is 56 x 56mm,
    and 6x7 is 56 x 70mm)

    But that camera is insanely expensive even without the back, and some of
    those backs don't have an AA filter, which is completely nuts in a Bayer
    sensor, especially considering that it turns out that MF lenses, even the
    poor ones are just as sharp or shaper than Canon/Nikon 35mm lenses. And Fuji
    makes some of the sharpest lenses around. (The ultra-cheap Fuji GS645S lens
    is flipping amazing in terms of sharpness, although the bokeh is seriously

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 5, 2006
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    Paul Rubin Guest

    I'm way behind the times, I thought Hassys were all 6x6cm made in
    Sweden. I guess I'm not surprised.
    Paul Rubin, Oct 5, 2006
  7. This article is worth a read......................

    Dennis Pogson, Oct 5, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Bill Funk, Oct 5, 2006
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    George Deliz Guest

    Well, actually no. The lenses for the EF and A1 are the old manual focus
    FD lenses. The EF camera was Canon's first auto exposure camera and the
    A1 came along a few years later.
    I now use a Rebel XT and 5D and have four lenses, one of which is for
    the cropped cameras only.
    George Deliz
    George Deliz, Oct 6, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    Ah, my mistake, I thought the EF took the newer lenses.

    Scott W, Oct 6, 2006
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    John Turco Guest

    Hello, David:

    Very interesting. Doesn't your turntable have an adjustable tone arm, to
    help prevent such rapid damage?

    Or, perhaps, did Sigma branch out into audio equipment, when nobody was
    looking? :-D

    John Turco <>
    John Turco, Oct 6, 2006
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    John Turco Guest

    Hello, George:

    There's no need to spend thousands of dollars, simply to fully enjoy
    vinyl records. As an example, I bought a brand-new Fisher MT-275
    direct-drive phonograph, for about $70, in 1991.

    It's big, heavy and well made. Most important of all, of course, I'm
    confident its sound quality could rival the insanely-overpriced device,
    that your "high-end Audio store" is now trying to unload on elitist
    audiophiles. <g>

    The MT-275 is a damned nice machine, regardless!

    John Turco <>
    John Turco, Oct 6, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    The very act of playing a vinyl record damages it; the stylus, by
    necessity, presents forces that will scratch the grooves unless the
    whole thing is in a clean room.
    I had a Garrard Zero 100 turntable that minimized the tangental
    tracking forces, but even then, any dust at all would damage the
    My solution was to record the album onto tape, and play the tape
    instead of the album. I had a 7 1/2" recorder that was pretty good (I
    don't remember the model), and the albums lasted until our daughter
    discoverd them. :-(
    Bill Funk, Oct 6, 2006
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    George Kerby Guest

    Hey John,

    No I'm not about to buy something like that! But it was impressive, I admit.
    I mean there were highly visible scratches on the vinyl that went completely
    unheard. The salesman attributed it to the shape of the needle, allowing it
    to play a deeper level in the groove. I'm not am audiophile, so I don't
    know. Perhaps it rest of the equipment was more advanced than my stuff:
    Yamaha P-450 turntable and Sony STRD2020 receiver from mid 80's. I got too
    many cameras/lenses/computers to waste money on. They can keep the damn

    George Kerby, Oct 6, 2006
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    Frank ess Guest

    I see Costco is offering a turntable with USB output, presumably to
    your choice of formats:

    Just like slide and film digitization: more decisions and drudgery.
    Frank ess, Oct 6, 2006
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    John Turco Guest

    Hello, Bill:

    Oh, I agree. I just thought a decent phonograph shouldn't trash a disc,
    after a paltry three playings.

    Incidentlly, back in the 1980's, I vaguely recall hearing of turntables
    which used a laser (or an LED?), instead of a needle. I never looked
    into the issue, but it's obvious that such CD-like technology never
    became prevalent; too bad, as it would've solved the problem of record

    Still, as you said, copying onto to tape is a good idea. VHS Hi-Fi decks
    are ideal for this application, as they combine superb audio quality
    with the convenience of cassettes.

    Furthermore, CD's, hard drives, flash memory devices and other storage
    alternatives exist, today.

    Whether any of those can replicate the "warm" sound of vinyl, which some
    audiophiles covet, is a different matter, entirely. :-J

    John Turco <>
    John Turco, Oct 7, 2006
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    John Turco Guest

    Hello, George:

    Yes, in addition to the high-end amplifier and speakers the phonograph
    was probably playing through, it's likely that the store's listing
    rooms (if any) were acoustically optimized. These enhancements aren't
    typically available, to the average audio enthusiast.

    I'm with you, however, and prefer to "waste" my cash on PC/video/photo
    stuff. <g>

    John Turco <>
    John Turco, Oct 7, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    I had a friend who had one of those; normally, it worked fine, but on
    those records with the groove off-center (where the head could be seen
    moving from left to right constantly) this one had problems tracking.
    It's been my understanding that this "warmth" is distortion. :-0
    Bill Funk, Oct 7, 2006
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    g n p Guest

    Whether any of those can replicate the "warm" sound of vinyl, which some

    Any coloration is.
    g n p, Oct 7, 2006
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