Testking & Transcender - Exam Takers Please Read

This has probably been said many times, but people just don't seem to get
the point! And although I've been posting on this NG for only few weeks its
beginning to annoy me seeing people (such as Sathir Puchnabe, Maria Zapatta)
post 'I passed my exam thanks to Testking' or 'I'm taking the exam soon,
does anyone know if Transcender have a paper on it?'!

If you use Testking or Transcender or any other software/study
guides/braindumps that give you the actual test questions and answers then
YOU ARE CHEATING, you are obtaining your qualification illegally, you might
as well use one of those dodgy internet diplomas!

If everyone cheated and took the exams, then we'd have millions of
MCPs/MCSAs & MCSEs wandering around who don't know sh*t. It would mean that
those of us who really studied and took the exam legally would have our
certification degraded to the point where it became pointless. I'm only an
MCP now, but I'm working towards MCSA, then MCSE, and I want to know that in
the end it's going to be worth all the effort!

Secondly if you become an MCSE through cheating, and you don't really know
what your talking about, and then get a job based on that qualification,
then what happens when a real problem arises in your job, and you have no
idea how to sort it? Testking won't be able to help you then will they!? And
you'll look like a real pro in front of your new boss and fellow MCSE team,
won't you!

If you really want that MCP/MCSE qualification WORK for it, study the
literature, work with the OS to gain experiance, above all, remember
TestKing/Transcender is NO help to you, you might think it is when you pass
the exam, but in reality it is just giving you a false qualification, and
you'll fall flat on your face sometime in the future!

And in the end I think its much more satisfying to achive something (whether
its an MCP qualification or anything else in life) knowing you did it
through hard work, and not by cheating!

Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any
other microsoft newgroup for that matter, telling everyone about it!

 

Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams. I DO agree with you re. others
such as testking.

 

Aren't they? I've not actually seen them but I was under the impression they
had some of the exam questions at the back. If not my mistake!

Another big one I missed was Troytech which is a braindump!

 

I got a colleague who passed MCSE 7 papers after completed a MCSE course. He
knows nothing about networking, server, AD, etc..... and his salary is as
same as me.

got another friend, he knew nothing about computer world when we were at
Uni, after graduated he can't find a job, instead he did a MCSE course,
later he found a job at bloody german bank and taught me what paper MCSE is
.... @[email protected]!

So, I did MCSE 2000, I found it is absoultely useless. most of the question
you would never used it on your real life.... e.g where is the log file
location.

My boss is a bloody greedy IT consultant. he asked me why I am bothered to
take this exam... he said no need to take.... he doesn't trust the people
with MCSE..... hahaha ^____^!


now I m doing MCSE2003..... I think really it is bloody shit again.....

Reason why doing MCSE 2003.. coz need more income and a tilte in my card....

 

Transcenders are NOT braindumps/real exams.

to me, there's not a great deal of difference. I've seen comments from
people, spoken to people, who have used transcenders and said that
some of the questions/case studies were all but the same as the real
exams. That may be a just down to the problems with the format of the
exams, but it's still just plain wrong.

Anyway, I feel that if people need those type of products, I question,
at worst their ability, at best, their confidence in themselves. May
be use them at the them end of your studies but in place of those
studies.

In any case the cert process needs to change so that real world
knowledge comes more into play. For someone to be 'certified' surely
should mean they actual have real world experience of the products?

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

 

Lastly, if you are going to cheat, don't post to this newsgroup, or any

no, they should do - it's great fun!!!

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

 

Heh, well yeah there is that I guess, a good troll bashing always brightens
the day!

I just find it frustrating to hear someone say 'i've never touched a pc and
don't know what windows is, but i still passed my exam thanks to testking
and troytec'

I've worked with PCs for 7 years, I started by doing an apprenticeship where
I got paid shit and given all the sh*tty jobs to do, along with this I did a
2 year collage course, worked my ass off! Over the years I've gained
experience by starting at the bottom and moving up from apprentice/lackey,
to junior to engineer, working for different companies. And to hear that
someone with NO experience what so ever can just walk in and pass an exam by
cheating, and end up with the same qualification as me is very frustrating!

 

Another big one I missed was Troytech which is a braindump!

don't forget wong, cobol and chums.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

 

I agree that practice exams (not braindumps) such as Transcender / Self-Test
/ Measure-Up should only be used at the end of the studies, just to get you
in the right frame of mind for taking the exam. That is the way I have
approached the 15 exams I have taken over the last 5 years.

R - MCSE (2003, 2000, NT), MCSA (2003, 200), MCDBA (SQL2000)

 

Based on a conversation I had in microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcad, I now tend
to believe that Exam Crams are also [email protected] I suspected they were, but
didn't know for sure. Someone who used them confirmed that they do indeed
have actual test questions, but like Testking et. al., they're loaded with
incorrect answers. BTW, please use my munged version of the bad word, as
we've also discovered a while back that some web sites that do newsgroup
feeds have been using that naughty word to allow certain less-than-honorable
vendors to link to their a s s f u c k i n g web sites.

--
Fris "Exam Cram it up your ..." bee®, MCNGP #13

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I'm afraid I have to disagree with you.

Look at it this way, back in school you had your algebra/math test. Now
think, would it have been considered cheating to see the exam paper BEFORE
taking the exam? Of course it would! Your teacher may have given you test
exam papers that had questions simular to those on the real exam, but not
exactly the same! I have no problem with people doing simulated exams, as
long as the questions aren't those asked on the exam!

I can even see a point in maybe looking at those braindumps AFTER you've
done the exam, to see what you got wrong, and show what sections you need to
develope. After I passed 70-210 I had 1 area I only got about 70% and
another I got 80%, however the results page doesn't tell you exactly what
questions it was you got wrong, just what area.

--
Ben

IT Professional, MCP 70-210
"On my way to becoming fully certifiable!"

 

I now tend

Do you mean the books? If so I'm quite surprised to hear that. I
bought a couple of those books (VC desktop & distributed) and thought
they were quite good. I don't recall any questions in the books being
word for word as those in the exams.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

 

Look for a post in the MCAD group. I'm pretty sure that the guy stated that
he used both Exam Crams and TestKing, although he said he got "bored" with
TestKing and stopped using it, and said (or at least implied) that there
were questions on the exam from both products. He also added that many of
the questions, at least in TestKing, were wrong.

What a surprise.

--
Fris "He didn't get my vertical secret message" bee®, MCNGP #13

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Agreed! And I particularly liked your use of 'braindumping donkey-rapers'.
:-D

Ben

 

I'd say it would be poetic justice if a question came up on the exam, and
you answered wrong because you used TestKing to cheat and were too dumb to
realise!

 

Although I would never endorse a braindump, or the likes of testking et al.,
I still think some of the burden should be put on Microsoft to constantly
update and change the exam questions (or even changing the formats), so that
a braindump from, say, 3 months ago, would be useless. As for the poetic
justice, I always thought it would be cool if MS reused their old exam
questions, but subtly change the wording to make the question mean something
totally different. Anyone who uses a braindump for their main study material
might get a little confused.

steve.

 

Your right, they should have an exam board like most educational exam
boards, who revise and add new questions on a regular basis. At the moment I
think they have a pool of 400 questions, of which you get asked a random
selection. If they were to add/remove 100 questions every once in a while it
would put brain dumps out of business!

Ben

 

Umm.. yea... I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Yea...

I've used the Exam Cram series books (from Corolis not Que) for all of the
exams I've taken and an Exam Cram 2 (from Que not Corolis) for the 70-218
(although I never actually read it) and I also have the free versions of the
Exam Master practice tests from Exam Force
(http://www.examforce.com/customer/home.php). They are basically the same
questions from the book so you can judge for yourself. I found their
questions to be not only easy but nothing resembling the real exam. They are
full of errors and incorrect answers (but hey, they're free!) so you do have
to watch out. But I definately would *not* consider them to be "braindumps".

 

Don't be surprised if they are "re-wording" questions..... I can't remember
which but it was either 210/215, where I had nearly identical worded
questions and answers, back to back in the exam. I honestly thought I hadn't
clicked the next button and went back, took me a moment to realised what was
going on.

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pulled from an earlier post

The difference between a "Dump" and a "test simulation" at its very closest
point is one will have questions and possible answers from a "currently
valid" test pool...the other may have questions from an older, no longer
current test pool. one gives you the answer, ruining the whole idea of test,
the other provides guidelines, references and explanations of the process
behind the answer.
as to the probable depth of knowledge need to
successfully answer questions on the subject.

Obviously, even use of old tests, unless permitted by the test developer or
software vendor, is an infringement on the effort put into research and
background performed by the person(s) providing
the test. Since the software has finite limits, it is very possible that
even separately developed tests will have similar questions on at least a
few subjects. I mean, how many correct ways are there to logon? As the min.
/ max hardware requirements of an OS platform, reasonable ways to
re-configure or consolidate an NT to W2K/W2K3 domain?

Fact of the matter, I had a Professor that would distribute his test from
the immediately previous year to incoming students as a way of letting them
know what to expect in the coming year. One of two things would happen,
First there was a mass exodus from his class in the first 2 - 3 days, from
students that realized they were in over their heads or weren't prepared to
put in that much time. Second, it was his way of letting people know that
those tests were NOT going to be repeated for grades.

How large is the pool of questions that MS draws on when they offer a test
is their business, statistics would prove, that if the test pool were
sufficiently large and distribution were random enough...even if you
reviewed
every question, barring a photographic memory...the chances of remembering
enough to pass a test with out actual knowledge, could be greatly reduced.

Unfortunately, unlike the SAT tests and other time limited or strictly
controlled test, MS tests are given all over the world, but people with
varying degrees of integrity.

Fact is, you cannot prevent cheating, at best you can just make it damn
inconvenient.