SSL certificates

Discussion in 'A+ Certification' started by JohnO, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. JohnO

    JohnO Guest

    Does anyone know of a good explanation of SSL and certificates?
    Hopefully one written for idiots like me who have no security system
    background. I've found a few extremely basic descriptions, and a few
    very deep discussions, but little that sums up the process and what can
    go wrong and how to fix it. I'm desperately trying to understand how
    and why one would receive warnings about invalid certificates, and what
    to do about them, and the role of caches in the process.

    And this IS on topic. ;-)

    -John O
    JohnO, Oct 16, 2006
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    JohnO Guest

    OK, so nobody else knows about this stuff either...I can believe that.
    :) However, I cannot tell you why I was asking for this info because I
    clicked on ths button at the end (beginning?) of the new A+ essentials
    exam that said I wouldn't discuss what I'd seen.

    -John O
    JohnO, Oct 19, 2006
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    smackedass Guest

    smackedass, Oct 19, 2006
  4. JohnO

    JohnO Guest

    Unfortunately, not really. The theory is out there, everywhere, but a
    tutorial on the practical use of the certs as I described earlier is

    -John O
    JohnO, Oct 20, 2006
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    MF Guest

    Yeah. I'll just answer the end of your question. A certificate has no
    inherent validity. It depends strictly on trust. We agree to trust the
    entity that issued the certificate - the way a cop trusts that a drivers
    license identifies you because the cop trusts the state. Thus, for public
    use, the public has to agree to trust whoever issues the certificate. I
    could issue you one right now, using Windows Server, but few would trust it.
    Thus, if there is a question about the issuer, or the identity of the person
    offering the cert the cert is declared invalid. As if I offered a Jersey
    cop a drivers license issued in Transylvania, or a license saying that I was
    Mickey Mantle.

    How do such questions and the resulting warnings arise? Several ways:

    1. To get a certificate, you buy and pay for it. It is issued for a
    specific length of time .e.g 1/1/07 to 12/31/ 07. You typically get the
    amount of time you pay for: more time=more money. If the certificate is out
    of date when your browser downloads and reads it (one of the functions of
    SSL), the cert is said to have expired and you get an invalid certificate

    2. The cert is issued to a certain company with a certain company name.
    This info is included on the cert, and if the cert is to be used for SSL
    validation over the web, the cert should contain the name of the website as
    well. Companies change their names and the names of their sites. If your
    browser goes to a site whose name does not match the names on the cert, you
    get an invalid certificate warning.

    Both of these are quite common for obvious (money and forgetfulness)
    reasons. Another common one:

    3. Cert issuers, called Certificate Authorities among other things, use more
    than one computer to issue certs. Well, then, why can't you, I, or anyone
    issue certs in the name of Thawte? Because to be valid, any given
    certificate has to be traceable back to ONE SINGLE COMPUTER of origin. That
    computer is the root certificate authority and issues a root certificate
    which must be held by and referenced by every computer that issues
    certificates in that company's name.

    Okay, why can't you issue a cert that refers to the root cert of Verisign?
    Because to recognize a certificate as valid, your computer must possess a
    copy of the root certificate (or a validated cert from a validated
    subordinate certificate server). These copies are installed when you
    install the OS (if the OS comes from a big national brand). Thus you can
    issue a cert that references some so-called root certificate signed by
    Verisign, but the cert that your certificate references will not be an any
    remote computers certificate store (sometimes called a cache) and thus will
    be declared invalid when a remote user accesses a site that uses your

    So this is another reason you get warnings: Sometimes the chain of
    validation is broken. The root referenced by the cert on the website you
    are visiting is not the same as the one on your computer.

    This can happen because the site's cert references a new root issued by the
    certificate authority, or references a root certificate issued by new
    certificate authority (I just got one of those the other day) or because a
    certificate in the chain of validation - from subordinate #4 that issued the
    cert, to subordinate #3 and so on back to the root - has expired. (The copy
    of the root cert on your computer is not cached, it's in a "permanent" file
    on your hd, sometimes called incorrectly called a cache. As with msft's
    "dll cache," the correct name of which would be something like "dll
    backups". Of course, while browsing, everything is cached, including the
    cert offered by the site and the cert the site gives to your computer -
    functions of SSL- but this is not important to the question at hand.)

    4 And Finally :) Certificates get revoked. E.g.,a disastrous situation,
    the root is compromised, somebody steals it. Companies that issue certs
    are required to publish a Certificate revocation list or CRL. Your browser
    can be forced to check the CRL, incidentally. In the case of a compromised
    root, that root and every cert ever issued that refers to that root must be
    revoked and published to issuer's the CRL. A mess. A similar, but less
    disastrous, situation would be that some company gets a cert issued to it -
    and then proceeds to set up a website using that cert to steal financial
    info. As soon as this becomes known, it's the issuer's duty to revoke that
    cert and publish the revocation to the CRL. The CRL, btw, should be public
    and easily available, i,e. maintained on several easily accessible servers.

    And this last instance will also result in an invalid certificate warning.
    _These_ are the warnings you need to worry about and heed.


    MF, Oct 29, 2006
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