Spam from Microsoft?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Gary J Bevans, Sep 19, 2003.

  1. Gary J Bevans

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Obviously MANY of them are concerned with counting all that MONEY. Grin.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 24, 2003
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  2. Gary J Bevans

    Guest Guest

    while it certainly uses unix owners and groups, there is more within
    the mac gui. its not *just* unix permissions.
     
    Guest, Sep 24, 2003
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  3. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    No, there are even fewer accountants than geeks.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 24, 2003
  4. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Which means that it's no longer UNIX, either. Worth remembering in the
    future.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 24, 2003
  5. Gary J Bevans

    Guest Guest

    i don't think anyone is claiming the mac gui is unix - just the core of
    mac osx. the fact that the mac gui adds additional user options doesn't
    change the fact that the core is unix based.
     
    Guest, Sep 24, 2003
  6. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    In time, I predict that Apple will make OS X more and more proprietary,
    until it really hardly looks anything like UNIX at all, even in the
    kernel. Even now, I suspect it is the most heavily modified version of
    UNIX around.

    This is both a commercial and a technical necessity, because providing
    all the functionality that is required for a Mac-style GUI and OS
    environment isn't going to be possible without huge modifications of the
    underlying multiuser, timesharing operating system.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 24, 2003
  7. Gary J Bevans

    Ron Hunter Guest

    But how many lawyers???
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 24, 2003
  8. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Relatively few. I believe the company subcontracts major projects to
    outside firms, and has only a small number of corporate lawyers itself.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 24, 2003
  9. Wow - you *really* like to hear yourself talk with such words.

    And you *really* have no clue what you're talking about. It's quite
    remarkable. You really ought to be doing it from webtv to complete the
    cliche. GUIs are merely a layer. File systems are the same - unix doesn't
    mean ufs. AFS has been around forever.

    BTW, make up your mind - is NT a modern secure OS, or is it one that was
    made wholey because customers valued features more?
     
    Jason O'Rourke, Sep 24, 2003
  10. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    I write this for the benefit of others.
    If only that were true. Unfortunately, performance and other issues
    often mandate that the GUI be integrated in a fairly incestuous way with
    the kernel. This was done in NT 4.0 to improve video and game
    performance over NT 3.x, for example, even though it destabilized the
    system and rendered it less secure. The same is done by GUI
    environments for UNIX, and I do not doubt that OS X is the furthest
    advanced (if one can use that word) in this respect.
    Not relevant here.
    Both.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 24, 2003
  11. Gary J Bevans

    B.Rumary Guest

    I think this has just happened. Most of the SWEN messages are about 150Kb in
    size, but today I got one that was 254Kb!!

    Brian Rumary, England

    http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm
     
    B.Rumary, Sep 24, 2003
  12. Also, most Unices nowdays also have some form of ACLs and privilege
    separations. Things have improved there as well.

    Bye, Dragan

    --
    Dragan Cvetkovic,

    To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer

    !!! Sender/From address is bogus. Use reply-to one !!!
     
    Dragan Cvetkovic, Sep 24, 2003
  13. Gary J Bevans

    Martin Brown Guest

    If it really is Swen (and not some other superficially similar looking
    MS insecurity Trojan) then the anti-virus people would like to see it.

    There are several other contenders that look *very* similar and have
    slightly different (larger) sizes (eg Gibe.B)

    Regards,
     
    Martin Brown, Sep 24, 2003
  14. Gary J Bevans

    Ron Hunter Guest

    When I toured Seattle, they pointed out a building where more lawyers
    had their offices than the whole country of Japan HAS. Kinda scary.
    Wonder how many Bill Gates pays.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 24, 2003
  15. Gary J Bevans

    Eigenvector Guest

    That is absolutely true. Perhaps with windows it isn't, but with any other
    OS it sure is. You can run UNIX in init state 2 or 1 all you want and at
    that point a GUI is just an init state away... Some people even get an
    incredible amount of things done without a GUI. The interface on a UNIX
    system has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the base OS or the
    kernel.
     
    Eigenvector, Sep 25, 2003
  16. Gary J Bevans

    mfa Guest

    Is there any way to look at the header and see who it is coming from?
    If it is someone I know and they don't realize they have the virus,
    maybe I could warn them.
     
    mfa, Sep 25, 2003
  17. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    Not many; Microsoft doesn't have enough work to keep all the lawyers in
    Japan (or the equivalent) busy.

    Gates' father is a lawyer, though.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 25, 2003
  18. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    All I know is that I cannot run my (UNIX) system secure if I plan to
    run a GUI on it. The GUI requires hacks into the kernel that are
    prohibited at the most secure level of operation. No problem with
    the command-line interface, of course.
    A great many things don't require a GUI. Some are even slower with a
    GUI.

    One of the things that tires me about IIS, in fact, is having to use
    a GUI to configure the product. It seems fun and friendly at first,
    but it gets old very quickly, and it makes remote administration
    almost impossible. I much prefer the simple text configuration files
    of Apache.
    On all operating systems, GUIs require hooks and access that
    compromise security. Usually the GUI must talk directly or almost
    directly to hardware in order to provide any performance, and this
    requires bypassing the OS in many ways.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 25, 2003
  19. Gary J Bevans

    Ray Fischer Guest

    That's like saying that XP is a "heavily modified form of" MS-DOS.
    So secure that it's been subject to a stream of critical security
    updates.
    Never seen a Blue Screen Of Death?

    I have. A Google search of BSOD turns up over 70,000 hits.
     
    Ray Fischer, Sep 25, 2003
  20. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    XP was written from scratch. OS X was not.
    So _popular_ that it has been the target of a stream of security
    breaches. Nobody attacks OS X because hardly anyone runs it.

    If you spend a lot of time designing a pick for a lock, naturally you
    pick a lock that is in widespread use, not one that is only protecting
    one in a hundred homes.
    On XP, no. On NT, only with defective device drivers.
    I thought you meant actually seeing this on the screen of the machine,
    not just looking up stories about it.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 25, 2003
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