Spam from Microsoft?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Gary J Bevans, Sep 19, 2003.

  1. Gary J Bevans

    ralford Guest

    so you consider X a hack into the hardware? You believe X-windows hacks
    into Cray's, CM5's, SGI, etc. - not in our lifetimes.

    rma
     
    ralford, Sep 25, 2003
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  2. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    X clearly bypasses the OS for certain things, which is why I can't run
    it on a secured system.
    I don't know what you mean by this.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 25, 2003
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  3. Gary J Bevans

    Ron Hunter Guest

    Probably because the symptom occurs on older Windows versions with
    alarming frequency. I have been using WinXP for the past 21 months
    without seeing one.
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 25, 2003
  4. On my old 98, yes, so far 2 years on XP, not yet. This machine only gets
    powered off when I leave town maybe twice per year for a week or so otherwise
    it's on 24-7.
    Chris
     
    Fender Lizard, Sep 25, 2003
  5. Gary J Bevans

    Eigenvector Guest

    No, that's not true (at least it isn't for UNIX or FreeBSD). The GUI won't
    do anything that the underlying OS won't allow. The security
    implementations are entirely up to the programmer. If the programmer is
    smart and dilligent then everything's okay, if not, well then you have a new
    generation of Microsoft applications (just a joke, had to jab them).

    Seriously, in UNIX and FreeBSD security is always up to the administrator of
    the box, the GUI, the applications, and the network cannot change that - no
    matter how badly they kludge. As long as the admin knows what he/she/it is
    doing, then you'll be fine. The same is not true of Microsoft Windows. I
    wish it were (oh how I wish it were) but it isn't - not yet anyway.
     
    Eigenvector, Sep 26, 2003
  6. Gary J Bevans

    Mxsmanic Guest

    That's why GUIs require special OS kludges. X won't run on FreeBSD with
    security level = 3, for example, and NT had to be modified to allow the
    GUI to bypass security features in order to improve performance and
    provide new bells and whistles for NT 4.0.
    It's hard to build a GUI that requires no kludge access to the hardware
    and yet provides high performance. Most vendors seem to give
    performance priority over security.
    Yes. So I run my server at security_level=3, and I do not run X.
    Windows can be very tightly locked down, but you do have to sacrifice
    some user-friendliness. Of course, this choice is necessary with any
    OS.
     
    Mxsmanic, Sep 26, 2003
  7. Well, they're busy enough with lawsuits from Sun, the states, the Feds...
    nevermind their ongoing efforts to fight piracy.

    Past trials have shown they aren't paying them well enough.
     
    Jason O'Rourke, Sep 26, 2003
  8. No - it's quite likely that the address you think it's coming from
    is someone in the address book of the infected host.
     
    Jason O'Rourke, Sep 26, 2003
  9. Which is a right thing to do on a UNIX server. Most of our UNIX servers don't
    have screen and keyboard attached anyway.

    Bye, Dragan

    --
    Dragan Cvetkovic,

    To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer

    !!! Sender/From address is bogus. Use reply-to one but remove .NOSPAM !!!
     
    Dragan Cvetkovic, Sep 26, 2003
  10. Gary J Bevans

    Ray Fischer Guest

    XP was not entirely written from scratch and OS X was not entirely
    copied from Unix. In fact very little of OS X is Unix.
    Popularity doesn't create security holes.
    That too.
    Looking for BSOD and XP turns up over 16,000 hits
     
    Ray Fischer, Sep 26, 2003
  11. Gary J Bevans

    Ray Fischer Guest

    Oh, on _your_ machine.

    Well then!
     
    Ray Fischer, Sep 26, 2003
  12. Gary J Bevans

    Jim Townsend Guest

    I can cause a BSOD any time I want on my laptop running XP.. All I have to do
    is plug a DVD+RW into its DVD drive.. Pow.. hard crash.. I have to hit the
    power switch to reboot.

    http://members.shaw.ca/jamestownsend/xp-crash.jpg

    My main computer gives me BSOD's randomly.. with Photoshop of all things.
     
    Jim Townsend, Sep 26, 2003
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    Brad Guest

    No, popularity finds them.
     
    Brad, Sep 26, 2003
  14. FWIW, after falling for all the hype and thinking I'd have an improved photo
    editing / printing platform with Mac than with my tried & true Windows
    system, I purchased an Apple Mac G4 & monitor loaded with both OSX and OS9.
    Alas, after months of frustration I came to the conclusion that OSX was the
    most bug-riddled, not-ready-for-prime-time OS yet and that the Mac was a
    complete waste of time. There is absolutely no advantage to Mac vs PC in
    terms of photo editing & print workflow, NONE. In fact, it was much more
    difficult to get a screen matched print out of the Mac than it ever was with
    Windows. The reputed advantages of Colorsync vs ICM simply do not exist. I
    finally sold the POS to an Apple Moonie who's delighted with it, lockups
    and all. I got some of my money back and am relieved the nightmare is over.
     
    Gerald G. McGeorge, Sep 26, 2003
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    Guest Guest

    Guest, Sep 26, 2003
  16. Gary J Bevans

    Guest Guest

    what were you using to calibrate the monitors and printers?
     
    Guest, Sep 26, 2003
  17. I used both Monaco and the Pantone Spyder & software. Same result, great on
    PC/ICM, poor on the Mac/Colorsync.
     
    Gerald G. McGeorge, Sep 26, 2003
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    George Kerby Guest

    The reason for your problems is that you are a dysfunctional idiot with
    adult A.D.D. Syndrome, that's all...
     
    George Kerby, Sep 26, 2003
  19. Gary J Bevans

    Brad Guest

    Are you sure you're using a certified driver?
     
    Brad, Sep 26, 2003
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    Ron Hunter Guest

    No, but it DOES expose the product to greater scrutiny, and there is no
    such thing as a perfect OS.
    Which could be one incident and 15999 replies. Or, it could be 16000
    people saying they never had one....
     
    Ron Hunter, Sep 26, 2003
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