Spam and ISP lack of support

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Silverback, Feb 6, 2005.

  1. Silverback

    Silverback Guest

    I get lots of spam that seems to originate at a major ISP, so I expand
    the header and forware all such spam to the [email protected] address for that
    provider. I attach the following message:

    Hello.
    The spammer below is either using your resources to send out bulk
    unsolicited commercial e-mail ("spam") or is deceptively trying to make
    it look like he is. In either case, a legitimate company like yours
    probably does not approve of even appearing to be the source of such
    junk.
    You have the resources to track down these people and should be at the
    forefront of the efforts to do so and to stop these people from
    flooding the internet with trash.
    The information below should be all you need.

    Thank you,

    NONE OF THE ISP'S HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE SPAM. THEY
    ALL DENY THAT IT IS ONE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND DUMP IT BACK ON ME. WE
    WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE SPAM INVASION UNTIL THE ISP'S TAKE
    SOME RESPONSIBILITY AND USE THEIR RESOURCES TO TRACK DOWN THESE IDIOTS
    AND PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.

    I PROPOSE THAT WE BAND TOGETHER AND ACT BY INFORMING ISP'S WHO REFUSE
    TO HELP END THE PROBLEM THAT WE WILL BE REJECTING ALL MAIL FROM THOSE
    ISP'S AND THAT THEY SHOULD INFORM THEIR SUBSCRIBERS THAT THEY WILL BE
    UNABLE TO CORRESPOND.
    ALSO, BEFORE REJECTING MAIL FROM THAT ORIGIN, INFORM YOUR REGULAR
    CORRESPONDENTS THAT YOU WILL BE DOING SO AND WHY.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. LET'S PUT IT TO THE SPAMMERS

    SILVERBACK
     
    Silverback, Feb 6, 2005
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  2. Silverback

    G. Morgan Guest

    Subject: Spam and ISP lack of support
    Newsgroup: 24hoursupport.helpdesk
    Don't type in all CAPS, jackass.


    Maybe that's because it *isn't* their problem. Spammers hide the origin of
    their filth. To find out where SPAM originates you can use:
    http://www.samspade.org/ssw/


    I see you are using "I Hate SPAM". That software sucks.
     
    G. Morgan, Feb 6, 2005
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  3. Silverback

    Vanguard Guest

    <snip - useless errata for us to provide help to the OP>

    So what are you basing your decision from what domain the e-mail
    originated? We're supposed to guess at your expertise in reading the
    e-mail headers? Which headers did you use to determine the origin of
    the spam e-mail? If you are using the From or Reply-To headers then you
    are using the ones that the spammer entered bogus information. Did you
    actually trace backwards through the Received headers starting at the
    topmost one for your mail server and going backwards until you hit the
    origin's Received header or the first bogus Received header (inserted by
    the spammer in an attempt to fool newbies reading the headers)?

    My guess based on your content in your post and your shouting at us is
    that you really don't know how to read the header to determine the
    origin of an e-mail.
    <snip - lots of shouting>

    Stop being rude! All caps is considered shouting - and you know that,
    too. Your keyboard isn't stuck in all caps mode since obviously your
    Subject has mixed case.
     
    Vanguard, Feb 6, 2005
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  4. Silverback, <>, the jittery, bobtailed insurance broker,
    and dishonest grocer and dealer in bad spices, discharged:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH!!!
     
    Capsella Bekefii Pallida, Feb 6, 2005
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  5. Silverback

    Dodo Guest

    Dodo, Feb 6, 2005
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  6. Silverback

    Penguin Guest

    Greetings;

    First of all, how do you know the ISP's are doing nothing about it? It
    sometimes takes years to build up enough evidence to bring legal action
    against someone. For all you know the ISP's are getting ready to slam
    the door on four or five of these guys. Just because they aren't
    personally informing you of each step in the process doesn't mean they
    are complacent.

    Second, just because a company has the resources to do something doesn't
    mean they're obligated to do it. An ISP may have the technical
    resources to track down spammers, but the labor involved in technicians,
    law enforcement, lawyers, etc. may be cost prohibitive. If every ISP
    went after every spammer the cost of a dialup connection would end up
    being $79.95/mo. I think most people consider spam a minor (if
    irritating) annoyance which can be easily handled on the recipient's
    end.

    Third, why should I block e-mails coming from a particular ISP? I'm far
    more annoyed at the junk snail mail I get every day which I have to
    physically throw in the trash can, but that doesn't mean I'm going to
    stop receiving *all* mail delivery from the U.S. Postal Service.

    In e-mail, as in snail mail, I expect the people in the chain of
    delivery to get the messages to me. If I don't like the messages I'm
    receiving then that's my problem to take care of. I don't want the
    delivery services (USPS/ISP/etc.) to be in the business of deciding
    which messages they want me to see and which ones they don't.

    If you are truly irritated at the amount of spam you are receiving then
    perhaps you should find an alternative method of communication, but
    don't ask me to join your absurd crusade.

    Penguin must run. Have cookie will travel.
    -Chris
     
    Penguin, Feb 6, 2005
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  7. Silverback

    Mike Easter Guest

    To report spam you have to know how to trace spam and read email
    headers.
    http://spamlinks.net/trace.htm Spam Tracing

    then you have to know how to derive the proper reporting addresses
    http://spamlinks.net/report-addresses.htm Spam Reporting Addresses

    then you have to know how to succinctly make your report
    http://spamlinks.net/report-how.htm How to Report Spam

    Many people do better with an automated parsing and reporting tool like
    SpamCop
    http://www.spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml Reporting Spam -- SpamCop
    parses reported email, sending warning information to the internet
    service provider responsible for hosting the services used by the
    spammer (web sites and email sending sites). SpamCop also uses the
    information to generate SpamCop's free blocking list.
     
    Mike Easter, Feb 6, 2005
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  8. Silverback

    Jim Berwick Guest

    Based on the technical expertise you demonstrated here, more than likely
    the spam did not original from their domains and you are wasting their
    time.
     
    Jim Berwick, Feb 6, 2005
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  9. Silverback

    Justin Guest

    nONE oF tHE iSP'S hAS eVER dONE aNYTHING tO fOLLOW uP oN tHE sPAM.
    tHEY aLL dENY tHAT iT iS oNE oF tHEIR cUSTOMERS aND dUMP iT bACK oN
    mE. wE wILL nEVER bE aBLE tO cONTROL tHE sPAM iNVASION uNTIL tHE
    iSP'S tAKE sOME rESPONSIBILITY aND uSE tHEIR rESOURCES tO tRACK dOWN
    tHESE iDIOTS aND pUT tHEM oUT oF bUSINESS.

    i pROPOSE tHAT wE bAND tOGETHER aND aCT bY iNFORMING iSP'S wHO rEFUSE
    tO hELP eND tHE pROBLEM tHAT wE wILL bE rEJECTING aLL mAIL fROM tHOSE
    iSP'S aND tHAT tHEY sHOULD iNFORM tHEIR sUBSCRIBERS tHAT tHEY wILL bE
    uNABLE tO cORRESPOND.
    aLSO, bEFORE rEJECTING mAIL fROM tHAT oRIGIN, iNFORM yOUR rEGULAR
    cORRESPONDENTS tHAT yOU wILL bE dOING sO aND wHY.

    eNOUGH iS eNOUGH. lET'S pUT iT tO tHE sPAMMERS

    sILVERBACK
     
    Justin, Feb 6, 2005
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  10. Silverback

    jda^fx Guest

    btw, if thats your new gmail account you've written there, it will
    soon be full of spam as well. Anyway, try Spamfighter,
    http://spamfighter.com/ it has a good detectionrate, up past 90% - 95%
     
    jda^fx, Feb 6, 2005
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  11. Silverback

    Main Guest

    I use the MacAfee Spamkiller for all this sort of thing save a lot of time
    with customised messages. Especially when you alter the default
    Administrators complaint and threatens legal action if the spam's repeated.
    Amazing how quick it stops when you do that.
     
    Main, Feb 6, 2005
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  12. Penguin wrote:
    So you throw the physical junk mail in the trash and that's it. You
    didn't pay for it to be produced and mailed to you, the advertiser did.
    And the sender is usually easy to identify if there's fraud being
    perpetrated. If you throw it away you've lost nothing. With spam, the
    spammer is *not* paying for the abuse of the system, the rest of us are.
    We can take our time to sort the good from bad and that's our time lost,
    but we're also paying the bill for the spammer.
    Only an idiot would want to make sure spam gets to them. But that's only
    my opinion.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=, Feb 6, 2005
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