Sometimes I wonder......maybe I just need a better job......

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by thingy, Apr 7, 2006.

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    thingy Guest

    Business analyst, Project Manager and Solutions Architect all get

    PM, Ok we have 5 weeks to do this in.....Core need is to distribute info
    over the web to users.

    SA, Ok in this time frame we need to find a ready made solution, we dont
    have time to write our own........has either of you found any ready made
    packages? have you asked any others if they have something we can buy
    off them?

    BA....yes, only one, its Perl & Unix though.....cough splutter no thanks....

    PM, Well we wont go near that stuff.....

    SA, Well we could at least look as its code......

    PM, No, we wont go near that stuff......

    SA, So how many users will it support, is it mission critical?

    BA & PM, we dont know we have not looked at that yet.....yes its mission

    So anyway here's me thinking, they have not scoped the job, know
    virtually nothing, but have already discounted a possible solution even
    though it might be ready made for them.....but they have decided its
    mission critical...OK...

    SA, BA & PM trundle over to see Solution Engineer....OK. we have no
    money, no hardware and little time, do you have 2 ~ 4 servers lying
    around we can use?

    SE, Yes I have 2 U1 Xeon boxes that are lightly loaded and a massive
    Xeon MP box that are very lightly loaded....they have special 24/7 1
    hour fast response contracts for hware and there is your
    2 web front ends and dbase already has authentication...

    SA, BA, & PM, oh great when can we have them to rebuild for this

    SE, you cant they run 3 small but mission critical applications.....

    BA & PM, thats OK we can shove all those onto one box and free up 2

    SE, I said mission critical...20 minute response....type stuff.

    SA, uh wait one, what are those applications?

    SE, Master DNS, slave DNS, Primary SMTP servers in active/active
    cluster, primary openLDAP authentication server...

    BA & PM, oh so why cant we have all those on one box?

    SA, looks at them with raised eyebrows.....remember the mission critical

    SA, so these are Linux obviously?

    SE, Yes.....

    BA & PM, Ok well never mind then we'll look elsewhere......

    Arrgg....Ho hum.......sometimes.......



    thingy, Apr 7, 2006
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    -=rjh=- Guest


    Could almost be a scene from the BOFH :)
    -=rjh=-, Apr 7, 2006
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  3. Sorry, but when I read PM and SA together... That told the whole story

    It's bad, it's really bad - people have no skills to treat other people, and
    even less skills to understand simple technical stuff.

    I don't think people in these (PM) roles should have high technical skills -
    but a little bit, to understand the complexities would be good.

    I've heard so amny of these conversations before, it's not funny. All they
    think of is "delivery, delivery", at the cost of anything else, even if it's
    moving an established solution out of the way to satisfy the "less time,
    less people, less cost" paradigm they live on...


    Mauricio Freitas,,
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    Microsoft MVP Mobile Devices
    Mauricio Freitas [MVP], Apr 7, 2006
  4. Just be glad there wasn't an Anderoid involved!
    (I used to lurk on alt.sysadmin.recovery for kicks)

    <wink> -Peter
    Peter Huebner, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    heh.....yes, sort of I felt gutted myself, have tried hard for 2 years
    to grow the Unix/Linux capability and have now have capacity yet little

    BA's and PM's complaining about lack of resource.....on the Unix side we
    have an automated build system, it can build 5 servers at once, all in
    about 1 hour, Qa'd to boot....takes the NT team 3 days to do
    we could build circa 20 servers a day.....with one also
    means we have a bare metal DR in that time frame.....none on the NT side...

    I have 2 Unix/Linux SE's both are probably not 50% utilised....should
    have 5~6 NT SE's....have 2 vacancies........and another resigned this
    week...all three were 100%+ so now its two....


    job hunt time me thinks.....before I do a BOFH and mains wire some door



    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
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    rupert Guest

    Of course the solution has been sold before the BA has worked with the
    customer to determine user numbers, how mission critical the solution is,
    what the exact requirements of the customer are so as to develop a
    functional requirement document which is used for the statement of work,
    technical design and quote etc etc
    rupert, Apr 8, 2006
  7. That is just so

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    The SA is actually good, bit MS biased but not to the extent that it
    bothers me....given the time frames the SA is often under going with
    something the SA knows will do it has some justification.....
    PM and BA dont need to understand tech stuff, but the business need,
    scope and time frame...yet make offhand tech decisions before even
    having a scope.
    See above....
    Up until today I suspected them, now they were open to my face....
    This is where I like OSS over CSS, with OSS there is no PM, so "us
    techies" can take the time to make the solution work well........with no
    real time frame. No good ofr business maybe? if so why do businesses
    want it? my biggest fear is that the business needs start to drive
    things and OS loses the edge people went to it for in the first place.

    Considering I had the Linux hardware and capability to do it and
    probably in the time frame....ssshhhh bugger it......why bother....


    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    In this case they dont have a solution.....but yes funnily enough that
    was the outcome of the last project.....


    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    Yes, dont think I have felt so f*cked off in two+ years....



    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
  11. You could do it for several reasons:

    1/ To prove to yourself that yes you CAN do it AND in that time frame,

    2/ To prove to them that Linux based solutions ARE good solutions,

    3/ And for the sheer hell of producing a good Open Source solution.


    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Apr 8, 2006
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    Daniel Guest


    What was the Perl solution?

    Is the back-end a Microsoft product?
    Daniel, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest was dismissed and Im busy doing other things, so I have not
    looked myself.
    Given its a datbase backend and IIS Im betting on all MS, so SQL, even
    though we have an Oracle and RH site licence, so an Linux/Oracle box
    would be "free".....



    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
  14. Some people had the M$ blinkers surgically implanted just before they
    got their lobotomy done.

    They don't know anything else, can't see anything else, and can't
    comprehend the possiblity of anything else outside of Micro$oft.

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Apr 8, 2006
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    Jimi Guest

    The problem is that in 99% of cases (Certiainly places where I have worked)
    is that M$ is part of the culture..

    e.g. The Project Manager opens their Windows box, gets their email via
    Outlook, starts planning in Project views the web via Explorer so to a
    certain extent they are "brain washed" before the begin.

    Let Firefox be a start, I love seeing people who use M$ all the time using
    Firefox now to view the web.. it's a great start

    Jimi, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    yeah well....

    Coming from a engineeering consulting background where one of the first
    things you had to do was write a briefing report for the client Im

    I mean I had to lay out all the options and why I recommended the chosen
    one (the client makes the final choice, its their business after all)
    and present it to the client for I would tend to look at
    plant that was cheaper over a 5 year cycle, so more up front but a lower
    TCO....clients cant or dont want to always afford that though.....

    Kinda more IT it seems "professional" and "client
    focused" is somone who will work any and all hours at the drop of a
    hat.....not someone who focuses on informing the client, giving options
    and involving them in the design.....

    Anyway Ive read the riot act to my manager....we are down 50% on SE's,
    if he doesnt show signs of sorting something he will be 75%
    will have left.


    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    Funny thing is but in the last 18 months I have all but replaced the
    entire web proxy system, email system, and DNS system....all without
    disruption....moved from tru64 to Linux.....not a mis-step....not bloody
    one.....all on my own.....

    The enterprise architect has promised me a crate of old dark so he's my


    I might get the last laugh yet, the EA is looking at a 32 way Xeon MP
    server....I will probably get to build it.....



    thingy, Apr 8, 2006
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    Phstpok Guest

    At one outfit, 3 times the board got something other than what I
    recommended, and 3 times it was "I told you so".

    Every time they went with the cheap solution, and every time it cost a
    _lot_ more in the long run. I left because I got sick of having to fix
    their f_ups and my advice being ignored. What the hell were they paying
    me for?

    They sought my advice twice a week for 2 months after I left (new admin
    was useless) and I took great pleasure in charging them exhorbitant
    rates. Took greater pleasure in refusing their escalating offers to get
    me back.

    Phstpok - the friendly

    Never hold your farts in.
    They travel up your spine
    and into your brain,
    and that is where all your shitty ideas come from.
    Phstpok, Apr 8, 2006
  19. I used to drink Old Dark. Now I prefer Mack's Black. :eek:)


    I can just about see the electricity meter spinning faster already. ;o)

    How different is the heat output of a Xeon from that of a Pentium4?

    On a mini-computer of that size you'd be able to do all sorts of stuff if
    you got it set up to host multiple virtual OSes. :eek:)

    Have A Nice Cup of Tea
    Have A Nice Cup of Tea, Apr 9, 2006
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    thingy Guest

    SGI 330 or 350.....

    Logically it is hard to do anything but Linux....because of the apps and
    the end users....if it goes to an MS box I know Im wasting my time here
    beyond a shadow of a doubt.


    thingy, Apr 9, 2006
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