Sobig worm - Second Wave

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by Plato, Aug 22, 2003.

  1. Plato

    Plato Guest

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  2. Tina -, Aug 22, 2003
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    Will Denny Guest

    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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    Harry Ohrn Guest

    Thanks for the heads up.
    Harry Ohrn, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    You may be laughing, _but_ despite it being one of the most oft said
    things on usenet people still often do & then complain about the

    How many people were lulled into a false sense of security about the
    Sobig virus? Well it's the fastest spreading one yet so plenty have &
    still do, & I can't help but wonder what's going to happen over the
    next couple of nights as well.
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
  6. Exactly. I sent out a mass email to our customers yesterday. At the end of
    each paragraph, which meant I stated it FIVE TIMES, I put this:


    Thinking that being SO far over the top, in warning everyone...that there
    would be absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind about this. Do you know, we
    got questions like "My son sent me a screen saver file and I opened it. I'm
    now thinking it might have been the attachment you were talking about."

    You laugh. We get headaches. :p"

    Tina -, Aug 22, 2003
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    Will Denny Guest

    Oh cr*p, are you here as well Kraftee <VBG>

    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    Hello (very) little boy *eg*
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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    Will Denny Guest

    No offence meant, Kraftee. It's a shame that the way that NTL have shown to get rid of MSBlaster is wrong. They haven't mentioned RPC, which is one of the main problems.

    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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    PCyr Guest

    Oh please. Don't give that advice. If you follow the three rules to
    computer security, it's almost always fine to open attachments from people
    you know.

    1) The most important thing: Anti-virus. Norton is great, and I've heard
    many good things about AVG. McAfee, or McCrappy, is a piece of garbage. It
    may work fine with some users, but it doesn't provide the security most
    people need. I've heard way way way to many problems with it.
    2) Firewall. Use the one with XP, or download/buy a different one, but make
    sure you have at least a basic one.
    3) The last, but DEFINITELY not least: Updates. Keep you computer *and*
    virus definitions up to date.

    Check out for amazing tweaks and fixes

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    Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
    Change the obvious to the obvious.
    PCyr, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    Except when they get infected. Yes it can happen to the people you
    know as well as all those out 'there'. Yes it has happened to an
    associate of mine, who claimed he was PC savvy. I also know of
    software specialists who run completely open unprotected public BBS's
    as it's to much like hard work to secure them & then they wonder why
    they get trashed...

    Sorry it's a case of everything is supsect as for the rest of your
    post I can generally agree with you especially about the updates..
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    Now that's something I can agree with you on.

    The good thing about NTL's handling of the whole affair though is the
    way that they at least have tried to warn their users, indeed they
    have given one of their self promotion channels over to the matter
    virtually 24 hours a days, this week (well I'm having trouble sleeping
    & tried to bore myself to sleep, it failed, think I'll try QVC or
    Ideal home next time)... That in itself is far more than some other
    ISP's have done, so at least they have tried/are trying (very

    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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    Slinky Guest


    Slinky, Aug 22, 2003
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    PCyr Guest

    I agree that everything is a suspect, but it doesn't mean you can't EVER
    open attachments, as she says.
    Check out for amazing tweaks and fixes

    Member of "Newsgroups are for everyone" (Perdita X. Twitt is a
    self-appointed, self-righteous, ruthless, bitchy net-cop too!)

    Email address is fake to prevent SPAM.
    Real email address is pcyr2000 AT hotmail DOT com
    Change the obvious to the obvious.
    PCyr, Aug 22, 2003
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    Will Denny Guest

    I agree with the channel devoted to... but they aren't solving the problem with their own 'solution'. I've tried to contact them to point out their mistake, but can't get hold of them... It's a shame that they haven't got any staff that really knows how XP works - never mind, we'll survive.

    Will Denny, Aug 22, 2003
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    kurttrail Guest

    WinUpdates aren't all that *critical*, if you have a good firewall,
    updated AV, and use your common sense.

    WinUpdates are like playing Russian Roulette, eventually someone pulls
    the trigger, and finds that the chamber ain't empty. Just look at all
    the people that have been scared into doing all of MS's Updates in the
    last week that are having problems. In a way, this scare into doing
    WinUpdates has been a kinda worm all on it's own.

    1.) Firewall between your computer/network and your internet
    connection. And having a software firewall on your computer, in
    addition, is even better!

    2.) Keep your AV up-to-date!

    3.) Use your common sense! Stay away from high risk
    activities, like file-sharing, porn sites, not opening up email
    attachments from friends and family, unless you're expecting them in
    advance, reading before you click on any pop-up, . . . . the list goes
    on & on.

    3a.) Do WinUpdates on a regular basis, but not en masse. I'd get used
    to developing a relationship WinUpdate and reading a group like this, so
    that you can hear about any problems that can & have happened with MS
    updates, before you install them, and you'll know what update actually
    screwed up, when it happens to you.

    I didn't make doing WinUpdates a number of it's own, because it really
    is only a part of using your common sense too.

    Self-anointed Moderator
    "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
    "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
    kurttrail, Aug 22, 2003
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    slumpy Guest

    "So, Mr Slumpy you *really* are the perpetual comedian, aren't you ?" I
    threw back my head and roared with laughter as PCyr continued:
    Doesn't take much to save and scan tho. Seems there are too many ignorami
    out there all claiming to be 'savvy'.
    slumpy, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    & in there lies the problem, the great majority of the unwashed public
    who use computers have little if any common sense about them. As long
    as it turns on & does what they want at that specific moment they
    don't care if it's infected or not, they don't care if it sends out
    viri infected mails, they don't care of it's got a trojan onboard,
    they don't care if it's used remotely for any dubious purposes, as
    long as it does what they want (download music, play the latest games,
    even just browse the net) when they want they are happy.

    For instance one of my work colleagues was warned last week about
    MSBlaster, he was running XP but didn't do anything, yes he was
    infected. Another colleagues of mine spent some time sorting it all

    Within 24 hours the PC owner was unhappy with the way it was running,
    wouldn't put his finger on what it was though, & so has 'rolled it
    back' to the beggining of last week....

    Another lent me a Disk & when I read it with one of my machines the AV
    went balistic, when I spoke to them they said that of course they
    didn't have any viruses on their mahine, it was protected but on being
    pressured they then admited it was a freeby of a magazine which was
    over 18 months old & had never ever been updated.

    I can see very little common sense with any of the above & I'm afraid
    that their attitude is more common than sense is.

    How often do you meet up with virgin installs of Windows 98 (not SE),
    never been patched, never been updated & then the owners report
    problems with USB equipment? Well I do I'm afraid (& they aren't
    rare) & when you start to talk to them about updating/patching they
    don't appear to be able to grasp the reason behind it. I spent ove 2
    hours at one user's this week where once again they had problems with
    a USB modem, it's only after had jumped through all the hopes I could
    think off that I was told that they hadn't installed the drivers as
    they kept getting an error...

    Most of the people who post on here are either trying to learn or
    trying to help (I did say most not all) but we are in the minority &
    you must remember that.
    Only if confiigured properly though. Since putting in my hardware
    security firewall I see very few probes on any machines, the only ones
    I am seeing at the moment have very little to do with port 139 &
    everything to do with 4662 (emule) & yes I can configure it block
    specific outgoing traffic as well...
    Of course, but that means the user is bothered...
    Actuallly if you do use your sense most of the above are reasonably
    safe, but you've got to think about what you are doing & think about
    your online safety at all times...
    I do agree that it is not wise to mass download all updates & patches
    & that you should do them one by one, when they are released (well
    after a time so that others can report any problems they find first),
    excpet of course if you are doind a fresh install, but then you
    download the ones you know are ok. I must admit though I have
    personally had very little trouble with any of them ( but maybe I'm

    Anyway I've rambled enough & the Tamazipan have kicked in.

    Good night to you all, be safe, be careful I've got a feeling it will
    get worse before it gets better..
    Kraftee, Aug 22, 2003
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    Kraftee Guest

    That used to be true, but not anymore as XP Home appears to be the OS
    of choice with all new machines now so the uninitiated are thrown in
    the deep end as soon as they buy a PC...
    Same difference, installs which have never even seen the Update page,
    any update page in fact (AV or Firewall either)
    If any of us are honest it's got to be both as no one knows everything
    & anybody who thinks they do knows nothing, hopefully the day I stop
    will be the day I'm dead...

    Anyway I was going to bed 45 minutes ago, but I've been enjoying this
    to much to leave.

    Wonder if anybody has noticed any degrading of the network for the
    last few hours (due to Sobig) I know I haven't but then again I
    haven't really looked as my favourite site has dissapeared over the
    last few days anyway...

    I've said it before nite nite, the nurse will have a go at me tomorrow
    if she finds out :-S
    Kraftee, Aug 23, 2003
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    Will Denny Guest

    Hi Kraftee

    Don't go to bed yet. The 'over the pond' posters are just about to come online. I'll catch in the morning (monday now I suppose).

    Will Denny, Aug 23, 2003
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