So much for the Linux Web Servers and Linux has got the server world.

So much for Linux with Apache as being the major player with the Web
Server environment. It's going to start loosing more Web server share
due to emergence of .Net, as companies are making that move to use .NET
instead of Java.

http://lwn.net/Articles/178908/

All one has to do is look at the results of a job search engine when
..NET is entered in for IT programming positions to see where things are
headed as opposed to entering Java or anything else for that matter, at
least here in the US.

Linux has never had any foot hold as a major player in the client server
environment -- never.

Duane

 

When you troll, you come in swinging...

|>So much for Linux with Apache as being the major player with the Web
|>Server environment. It's going to start loosing more Web server share
|>due to emergence of .Net, as companies are making that move to use .NET
|>instead of Java.
|>
|>http://lwn.net/Articles/178908/
|>
|>All one has to do is look at the results of a job search engine when
|>.NET is entered in for IT programming positions to see where things are
|>headed as opposed to entering Java or anything else for that matter, at
|>least here in the US.
|>
|>Linux has never had any foot hold as a major player in the client server
|>environment -- never.
|>
|>Duane
|>
|>

 

Well, I am not on the outside looking in and I see where companies are
starting to head in creating business solutions that run in the
corporate/business world. .Net crosses the Web server, client server and
desktop environments.

http://www.dotnetlanguages.net/DNL/Resources.aspx

It's about that .NET Framework as ratified by the ISO and ECMA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure

Duane

 

Which just goes to show what little he knows. Netcraft would certainly
disagree with him.

Of course MS may /bribe/ people to change to them, as they did with
GoDaddy.

 

I knew this *clown* would come a running. You *clown* you don't even
know the difference between a Web server and a client server.

No one cares if MS paid somebody or not. If Linux was that tough and had
some kind of clout, companies would not be jumping ship. The bottom line
is Win 2K3 Server and IIS 6 can match Linux and Apache and they are
jumping ship.

The bottom line is that Windows severs dominate the client server
environment. And again Web server solutions and client server solutions
are two different things.

The bottom line with Linux is that the Linux platform has nothing that
can match .NET not in the Web server, client server or desktop
environments and Java can't match it either.

Linux has nothing that can match the power and ease of creating
programmed business solutions in the corporate/business world like .NET
and they are beginning to recognize it and are going to it. And not
everything running in the corporate/business worlds are canned packages.
Corporations/businesses must program tailor made business solutions to
meet their objectives.

In addition to that, the whole corporate/business world is not running
on Web server solutions either.

You come up with some proof as to how much you know about what's
happening in IT, IT programming, and the corporate/business worlds,
because I don't see anything coming from you but your continuous lips
and your lip service.

What you are is a dumb home user with a little bit of knowledge that
think you have your finger on the IT field not only in the US but around
world. You don't know *jack* is the bottom line, because you're not in
the IT field or the corporate/business worlds period using the
technology or you would not be making the dumb and stupid statements
that you continue to make about Linux or MS.

Correct. And in fact there are /more/ linux servers than windows ones
(according to Netcraft's survey).
<snip>


I like your stupid statement about Linux has control of the server world
period when that is not the case. You twisted it to fit your needs. The
only dominance Linux has is with Web servers and nothing else and it's
starting to lose that. The bottom line is that you don't know *jack* and
you make it up as you go from minute to minute and day to day.

Sea-Cream you *clown*, you can't have it both ways. She can't say on one
hand that Linux is dominating the Web server world with someone who
produces the statistics, and then on the other hand, she tries to deny
the statistics from the same company/people indicating that the trend is
happening. It's a hypocrite's move.

Duane

 

That's just the next fad, it was similar when Apache climbed up the
ranks and the time Java was the in thing. The increase in job adverts
went up the same way for (the then) newer technologies.

Not major in that context, although it does some very good server stuff.

Me

 

Java was the fad and Java is not a standard and is not backed by the ISO
and ECMA. .NET is a standard in the industry due to the .NET Framework.
..NET solutions such as the Share Point server, Biz Talk server and other
..NET server solutions running on Win 2K3 servers are being implemented
in the corporate environment.

I know and have interviewed with companies that are taking their entire
Cobol Micro Focus solutions and converting them over to Cobol.Net so
that they can take advantage of the other .Net solutions. I have been
on interviews in companies where the decision making process was between
Java and .NET and they went with .NET. And was not due to total Web
solutions either.

The whole world is not running on WEB servers and Linux is not the
dominate player in the client server or desktop environments. In the
long run, I don't think Linux will continue the dominate the Web server
environment either. But that's just my take on it.

No doubt, but for the most part, they are not running the overall
corporate/business world and they are certainly not dominating it.

I don't see major vendors developing applications to run on the Linux
platform such as accounting and general ledger, inventory, purchase
orders, regulatory management information system and many other such
solutions that drive business like I see it in the Windows environment.

Duane

 

How can something so new be a standard, perhaps an emerging standard as
it's deployed. However it's on the back of MS server deployments, I
would have thought than any level of changeover just to .NET something
which does seem to be happening it not looking into it enough.

There was a recent qip IIRC in some online news article, along the lines
of - How do MS annoy every developer? They rewrite 10,000 modules for
..NET that aren't compatable with VC++ anymore.

That seems just a bit suspect from MS, alter all thier track record on
standards isn't the best.

Seeing that at work, mainly because of historical MS background.

Wow, it's been an long time since I have seen MF Cobol. Just being able
to .NET that for db interfacing / reporting sounds like the sort of
thing a lot of managers need

Nothing wrong with that except the division between that those that do
beacuse of a need and those that jump on the .NET bandwagon.

It's an issue often seen seen as lacking support (Linux) however
everyone had to learn MS platforms or something else. I just wish things
went - platform who cares , the app to do the job runs on X.

It's the MS be all and end all that bugs me, rather than use what works.

Out primary DNS/DHCP boxes are secured RHEL, it's a vast improvement on
the poor performance the Windows boxes used to be. But as you say it's
not a global / major use.

Correct, an area sadly lacking. IIRC it's only the last month or so I
saw a review of Linux apps that do things like MS Money, Quicken and
other SOHO accounting apps.

Quite right. Our business is electronics and as such we see a lot of
Linux test gear, Apple PPC racks and so on. They do these things
wonderfully and Windows doesn't. I even have a Linux network monitor on
my desk, the managment don't like it until they either need a report or
are reminded how much the Win version costs

Perhaps that's something MS should work on, a lot of the stuff I use on
Linux is free because the compilers are free, The developers do a great
job on dual platform versions but have to charge for the MS one as they
have to buy a compiler from MS.

Me

 

What are you talking about? The ISO and the ECMA governing bodies of
standards says it so. And besides .NET has been around since 2001 and
it is now 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Language_Infrastructure#Standardization_and_Licensing

This is what it means to be a standard.

http://www.dotnetlanguages.net/DNL/Resources.aspx

The CLI was made a standard long ago and C#.NET became a standard in
2004 I think and C++ Net will soon follow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp

This is what it means to be a standard a standard controlled and owned
by the ISO and ECMA Standard committees.

http://www.mono-project.com/Mono:About

MS doesn't own or control .NET. That's right it gave it all away it's
free to other vendors wanting to implement the .NET Framework with
programming languages.

Man, .NET runs on phones and watches, as I was shown how to do it during
my .NET training.

Visual C++ is VS Studio 6 and no they cannot make .NET compatible with
VS 6 C++ as MS doesn't own the .NET Framework or C++ .NET, which is
scheduled to become a standard.

However, MS did make .NET backward compatible with VB 6 since MS owns
and controlled VB.NET.

Again MS gave .NET away and companies are using the server solutions.
The company I am working at currently has the Biz Talk server connected
to the AS400 sending and receiving data. And the do have to pay for the
server. Do you know what a Share Point server is about?

No, you are wrong as companies start position themselves to use .NET
solutions.

And lets get this straight. Companies do not start haphazardly using
..NET. Most that have any sense will bring in a .NET Architecture
whether that be a contractor or full time employee to set up the
appropriate company Framework to use the .Net Framework for it's
internal and external business solutions.

Oh, it's still being used and major insurance companies and others use
MF Cobol as the administration systems uses it.

I can see nothing wrong in making that move, since MS doesn't own or
control .NET.

I think .NET may have a play in it.

You can't stop progress.

We are talking to different things. I am talking about *business
solutions* You're talking DNS and DHCP boxes and that is totally
different from *business* solutions running in a corporate client sever
environment.

I am not talking about solutions such as that as you explained above. Do
you think some company worth its beans such as ADM, Swiss RE Life and
Health Covance Medical and other such companies of that nature are
using any of it? Maybe some individual at some department level running
such solutions on his or her desktop. But I guarantee such solutions are
not being used in the client server environment. We are talking to
different things when it comes to that.

Of course, you're talking non *business* solutions here and that's
different from what I am talking about. And no one and I mean no one
provides better solutions for vendors than MS when it comes to
developing in house or 3rd party business solutions -- no body, maybe
vendors on the IBM on the mainframes.

No they don't with .NET. There are free IDE's and compilers for .NET.
Both C#, C++ and VB.NET, since MS doesn't own .NET Framework. ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=free+.net+IDE+and+compiler+for+C#&btnG=Search

Duane

 

I just want to give you the big picture about .Net and that .Net
Framework, C# .NET and C++ .NET as ratified or will be ratified by the
ISO and ECMA.

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

Duane

 

wrote in 4ax.com:

He's been an idiot for years, and isn't getting any better.

 

You're right there with me you *clown* and you're another one that
really doesn't know jack either. Another one of the dumb ass home users
not in the IT field. So what can be expected from a fool like you?
You'll do good to keep up with your weak ass knowledge about PFW(s). ;-)

Duane

 

It's been a developers thing for that long, the emergence of big .NET
apps hasn't. Sure there are a lot of smaller stuff, but nothing else,
for the type of business I see.

Was thinking about using Mono anyway, I could really do with something
on a Linux box but have something the current MS developers could cope
with.

SP yes, it's not something happening in our place, it's always very slow
to look stuff like this.

Guess it all depends on the company, our place is full of developers
that have a job to do, however looking at the software ordered, the rise
in .NET boxes / tools and server 2003 boxes and knowing there isn't a
common project running in the background. That's just how I see it's
use.

That's the bit that always sounds good, we tend to go for the contractor
then they vanish and it's a flop.

I thought for a long time it as just a license.

<snip>

Me

 

There are big time .Net solution in the corporate/business world both in
house written and 3rd party solutions. RMIS systems, that are written in
..NET both 3rd party and in house, company Internet/Intranet Web portals, Web
Dashboard applications the State of Nevada contacted me about that project.

I recently came off the Maine Insurance Underwriting application that is
nationwide. Now, I am moving on to another Insurance Underwriting
application for a major insurance company for agents and underwriters
around the US.

I know a friend and his wife that converts e-business banking sites to .Net
with several contracts around the US being worked. Major 3rd party Insurance
Administration applications converted to .Net. The Ohio State Board of
Education contacted me about the administration system that is .NET that
needs maintenance work. The state of Ohio Taxation contacted me about .NET
tax administration system they were writing, the state of Minnesota and
Illinois have contacted me.

I don't even want to go into the private sector that has made contact with
me. .Net is hot and heavy. Many companies that must abide by the ISO and
ECMA regulator standards in order to do business and stay compliant within
their respective industries such as manufacturing and inventory, medical,
transportation etc., etc are coming to .Net because it is ISO and ECMA
compliant. I don't think you fully understands what the means.

I have gotten phone calls from around the US to work contracts for
government and the private sectors to develop .NET business solutions, even
calls out of India to come there. ;-)

No put down to you Why but you do not know what you're talking about. You
are not a Business Application Programmer that's in the know.

BTW, I am the best at what I do and I have been doing it since 1980
programming wise and started in IT in 1971 when Apple was in a wooden box.
;-)

I don't know what part of the world you're from, but here in the US, .Net is
heavy and it will start coming to the consumer market.

Duane

 

Yes. I suppose like all stupid trolls, he keeps trying to reply to me,
though he's been binned for years.

 

This *clown* I have only been messing around with for the last few
months. So where she is coming up with this years is beyond me.

I certainly don't want to have anything to do with Sea-Cream the *clown.

All I am doing is countering the mis-information this *clown* continues
to dump out about Linux and MS and what is happening in the business
world and IT, as if she is some kind of business world IT goddess.

The Linux statistics *whore* that's all she is and is nothing more than
a dumb ass home user on the loose posting statistics.

There have been plenty of posts made in this NG for Linux help
solutions. All this *clown* ever does that I have seen is start rattling
off about Linux this and MS that with Linux *statistics* and doing the
MS piss. ;-)

Duane

 

*I am just checking to see if she has some kahoonas on her. The *ho* is
trying to punch and run.* ;-)

<repost>

This *clown* I have only been messing around with for the last few
months. So where she is coming up with this years is beyond me.

I certainly don't want to have anything to do with Sea-Cream the *clown.

All I am doing is countering the mis-information this *clown* continues
to dump out about Linux and MS and what is happening in the business
world and IT, as if she is some kind of business world IT goddess.

The Linux statistics *whore* that's all she is and is nothing more than
a dumb ass home user on the loose posting statistics.

There have been plenty of posts made in this NG for Linux help
solutions. All this *clown* ever does that I have seen is start rattling
off about Linux this and MS that with Linux *statistics* and doing the
MS piss. ;-)

<repost>

Duane

 

I see your dumb ass posting up and down this NG. Do you see up in your
face you stupid *ho*?

Duane

 

You and here can kiss my *Black* ass and you're out of your mind.

Duane

 

One other thing *ho* before I go back to work, you can get a double
headed dildo and start doing each other. The pleasure is all yours.

Ho(s), man or man!

Duane