Security Ordeal at Shopping Center Taking Photos (longer post)

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by DigitalCameraBasics, Oct 5, 2003.

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    Paul Heslop Guest

    :O)
     
    Paul Heslop, Oct 9, 2003
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    Paul Heslop Guest

    Yep, it's all about care. We don't aim to injure our children, but to make the
    biggest impact as quickly as possible. It's those who don't understand the
    difference who cause the problems. I know odd people who say they have NEVER smacked
    their kids and NEVER had problems, but generally most admit that they have done so
    when needed.
     
    Paul Heslop, Oct 9, 2003
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  3. "">I agree that it is not unreasonable to take action if being a Crusader in
    Wonderland is your thing. Any action from a single individual in this
    instance is highly unlikely to effect any change whatsoever in the on-going
    behaviour of the guard or the philosophy of the shopping center's
    management,<""


    Untrue. Upon speaking to the representative from the property owner
    development company, I found that a complaint about this security guards
    "attitude" HAD been reported before the incident with me. As he put it..
    "she is now being dealt with".

    Had I not taken the time to do what I did (report it) she may have gone on
    for some time giving people problems before someone else finally took the
    time to do something. Yeah, it's a bit of bother out of my life, but it did
    potentially help others in the future from going through what I did.


    Greg


    -------
    I agree that it is not unreasonable to take action if being a Crusader in
    Wonderland is your thing. Any action from a single individual in this
    instance is highly unlikely to effect any change whatsoever in the on-going
    behaviour of the guard or the philosophy of the shopping center's
    management, especially if the guard was acting within the guidelines of
    their corporate policies. If the guard was not acting within established
    guidelines, oh well, single and occasional breaches of law and desired
    conduct go on all the time. Moving on with the things most important in
    one's life is a beneficial action when contrasted to tilting at windmills
    in futile attempts to right minor injustices to which we are all heir.
    Correctly applying the lesson learned from this event represents a better
    management of one's resources and makes one better prepared to deal with
    any similar future event. Patently YMMV.


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    DigitalCameraBasics, Oct 10, 2003
  4. oops. donn't?
     
    mark_digital©, Oct 10, 2003
  5. My young sister-in-law said she would never hit her children. As far as I
    know she held to her word. Funny thing though. She's always running off and
    leaving her two kids with relatives.
    Mark_
     
    mark_digital©, Oct 10, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    I've been very sloppy lately. I don't know why.
     
    Mxsmanic, Oct 10, 2003
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    dvus Guest

    I've heard there's a possibility the cat may have been trying to protect him by
    pulling him away from some perceived threat, but I don't know how much credence
    there is to that. I'd like to believe it, but it's often pointed out that wild
    animals stay wild and can't be trusted to remain under control in every
    circumstance.

    dvus
     
    dvus, Oct 10, 2003
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    dvus Guest

    The problem is the guilt trip that those unwilling to discipline their kids try
    to lay on others willing to do what is necessary to raise them safely and make
    them socially acceptable. I have close relationships with all my grown kids and
    never heard any of them tell me "I hate you" like I hear from some of these
    liberally raised children when they don't get their way, and mine often didn't
    get what they wanted when they wanted it. Maybe I was just lucky, but somehow I
    don't think so.

    dvus
     
    dvus, Oct 10, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    The most convincing observation I've heard is that the tiger could have
    killed and eaten him without any trouble, so the fact that it did not
    implies that it was not attacking him in an aggressive way. It's just
    that big kitties do damage even when they are being playful.
     
    Mxsmanic, Oct 10, 2003
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    Frank ess Guest

    Could it be you've very gererously restrained yourself from putting
    resounding THWACKs on numerous deserving foreheads, and the strain is
    manifesting?
     
    Frank ess, Oct 10, 2003
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    Azzz1588 Guest

    No, just the norm in human society.
    Funny, neither of my grown son's have ever complained either !!






    "Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
     
    Azzz1588, Oct 10, 2003
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    Azzz1588 Guest

    Sure ya do, you just proved it in your previous post !!

    But who is the "we" in society that would make that decision ??
    I mean are you going to take a countrywide vote, or have some panel
    decide who can or cant ?? And what would the standards be, and who
    would decide what they would be ??





    Ahhh... another layer of govt controlling our lives. You socialists,
    and communists think that you have the right to control every
    aspect of peoples daily lives dont you ??











    "Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
     
    Azzz1588, Oct 10, 2003
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    Paul Heslop Guest

    I don't think there is ever a perfect answer. It's easy for folks to dictate, we
    have all these pressure groups banging on about rights etc, but nobody seems to
    have answers.
    We now have little gangs, small children who take delight in throwing things
    through bus/car windows, dropping things off motorway bridges , torching school
    buildings, and attempting to derail trains. Under a certain age in England kids
    can't even be held responsible for their actions., but people also make sure
    that they know that, which leaves the little monsters under the illusion that
    they're invulnerable.
     
    Paul Heslop, Oct 10, 2003
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    Paul Heslop Guest

    Sadly I have seen both sides of that too. My kids latched on to the very kids who
    were allowed to do just as they pleased. The only good thing to come out of it was
    that none of them were in a stolen car which crashed, killing our next door
    neighbour's son and the driver dying a few months later, nor did they hang around
    once a couple of the local girls moved elsewhere and took up prostitution... but
    they HAD been part of it at the beginning. It was always "THEY can do so and so,
    why can't I?" and we went through years of hell.
    Now we have three out of four of them within shouting distance, they know where
    they went wrong and only the fourth pushed it so far that contact broke down
    completely.
     
    Paul Heslop, Oct 10, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    No. I'm not a violent person.
     
    Mxsmanic, Oct 10, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    The majority, presumably.
    I'm sure the details could be worked out. They've been worked out for
    other forms of licensing.
    You forget, as most people do, that children are independent human
    beings, and not merely property. This being so, you do not have an
    unrestricted moral right to parenthood, nor do you have an unrestricted
    moral right to raise children as you see fit.

    Modern society avoids this problem by simply treating children as
    property from a legal standpoint.
     
    Mxsmanic, Oct 10, 2003
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    Azzz1588 Guest

    Just like the Nazi's, you would want to be able to decide who
    can, and cant have children, based on heath reasons.
    What you want is to have or make sure that only superior
    physical specimens are born.
    Now where have we heard this before people ??

    Typical socialist mentailty. The only way it can work, is if you
    FORCE people to comply. (just like socialism)
    Whose to say that they know exactly what are good, and
    bad traits ??
    And just how would they go about enforcing this ???


    Well who died and left you in charge ??
    With my children, yes I did, and still do.
    It is NOT a govt's job to oversee how I raise my kid's.
    Hasnt been for all of human existance yet you
    would see that changed if you could.....







































    "Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
     
    Azzz1588, Oct 10, 2003
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    Mxsmanic Guest

    This was not a Nazi invention.

    The Nazis made the trains run on time, but that doesn't mean that anyone
    who runs trains on time is a Nazi.
    I didn't limit things to the physical realm.
    If you don't believe in majority rule, what do you suggest in its place?
    Rule by a monarch?
    Assuming that children are human beings and not property, this is
    implicit in the necessary recognition of their rights.

    However, most people treat children as property.
     
    Mxsmanic, Oct 10, 2003
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    George Kerby Guest

    Your confusing them with the Italians. THEY got the trains running on time.
     
    George Kerby, Oct 10, 2003
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    Azzz1588 Guest

    But WHO in the majority gets to make the decisions ???

    Someone has to, so how could it be done ??


    And the system we have in the USA works just fine for me
    thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
























    "Only a Gentleman can insult me, and a true Gentleman never will..."
     
    Azzz1588, Oct 11, 2003
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