Scenic areas in England

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Shawn Hirn, May 4, 2009.

  1. Shawn Hirn

    Twibil Guest

    And alas; those parents who KNEW what "worked" also included the
    individuals whose own parents had beaten the crap out of them on a
    regular basis for no good reason, sexually abused them all during
    childhood, etcetera. The inclination to say "*I* survived my
    upbringing, so it's good enough for my kids too" is too often used as
    an excuse for passing child abuse on to the next generation.

    You also ignore the fact that parental upbringing isn't the only
    important factor in how a kid turns out: social influences, schooling,
    mental abberations, and individual personalities also have a *huge*
    influence. (We all know of examples where a kid had a poverty-stricken
    childhood with drug-addicted parents and poor schooling, yet survived
    to prosper despite that upbringing.)

    We also know of kids who had the best parenting you could ask for, had
    all the advantages, and yet *chose* to go down the wrong path and
    ended up doing life without parole.

    Going with what you KNOW works only means it worked with *you*; it
    means very little in terms of how well it might work in another case.
     
    Twibil, May 15, 2009
    1. Advertisements

  2. I'm unsure of any actual law, and it was certainly
    common enough in the Irish pubs in London and Liverpool for a collection
    box to be passed around 'for the boys'. Noraid was likeliest the largest
    source of funds, but the outshoots of the home-grown organisation must
    have raised substantial sums.
     
    Frantic Fumbler, May 15, 2009
    1. Advertisements

  3. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember "Stormin Mormon"
    It might be slowly turning into a stinking cesspit in many ways I find
    wholly loathesome, but you're utterly wrong about that.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 15, 2009
  4. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember "Ian F."
    Not so much. Imo, they tend to be used as an excuse for territory
    grabbing. Imaginary friends are fine, as long as they keep to
    themselves.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 15, 2009
  5. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    *Classic* typo! Dyslexia, brainfart, whatever. :)
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 15, 2009
  6. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember "William Black"
    Utter cock.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, May 15, 2009
  7. And, I think you're quite totally mistaken. Now, lets see
    who provides some facts.

    --
    Christopher A. Young
    Learn more about Jesus
    www.lds.org
    ..


    message We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert,
    when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember "Stormin Mormon"
    It might be slowly turning into a stinking cesspit in many
    ways I find
    wholly loathesome, but you're utterly wrong about that.
     
    Stormin Mormon, May 16, 2009
  8. Shawn Hirn

    Mike Guest

    you have been given both US and international dictionary definitions
    of "socialism", if you read them it will be obvious they do not apply
    to US or UK. That you cannot see this is only to be expected by
    someone whose head is full of propaganda and fairy tales. Give
    yourself a break, start thinking.
     
    Mike, May 16, 2009
  9. Shawn Hirn

    Mike Guest

    you have been given both US and international dictionary definitions
    of "socialism", if you read them it will be obvious they do not apply
    to US or UK. That you cannot see this is only to be expected by
    someone whose head is full of propaganda and fairy tales. Give
    yourself a break, start thinking.
     
    Mike, May 16, 2009
  10. The terminal velocity of a lead bullet falling out of the sky is
    sufficient to cause injury. In a civilised society people who knew so
    little about guns as not to know that wouldn't be allowed to have
    them.
     
    Chris Malcolm, May 18, 2009
  11. Shawn Hirn

    whisky-dave Guest

    Yet this person was able to acquire a gun.
    This is my very point about guns any idiot can get hold of them
    and that is my primary worry, and why I wouldn't want the USA laws on guns
    to be applied to the UK. I'm just worried that gun purchases might change
    from
    gun collectors and hobbyist to those that want them for 'self defence'
    which is what my ex-flatmates brother wanted it for.
     
    whisky-dave, May 18, 2009
  12. Shawn Hirn

    Chris H Guest

    I agree. Any idiot can get a gun in the UK. They are very easy to get
    almost anything from a sub-machine gun to a pistol
    I agree. However the current Gun laws we have in the UK do not make you
    any safer
    He can still get any gun for self defence. Nothing has changed. The ONLY
    people who do not have guns are the hobby shooters.
     
    Chris H, May 18, 2009
  13. Shawn Hirn

    Nick Cramer Guest

    And the more nearly vertical that bullet is fired into the air, the more
    nearly that terminal velocity will approach the muzzle velocity.
     
    Nick Cramer, May 19, 2009
  14. The lack of street crime involving guns in the UK seems to indicate that
    this is not the case.
     
    William Black, May 19, 2009
  15. Shawn Hirn

    J. Clarke Guest

    Not so much. No matter what the angle, in a frictionless environment the
    terminal velocity will be exactly equal to the muzzle velocity. In the real
    world in which friction plays a role, though, General Hatcher researched
    this, like he researched many other things involving firearms, and found
    that for a 30 caliber bullet the terminal velocity when fired vertically
    upward would be around 300 feet per second. While the drag coefficient of
    the particular bullet will alter this somewhat, it's not going to make a
    huge difference. A larger caliber will come down faster--a .50 caliber
    machine gun bullet will come down at around 500 feet per second for example.
    Pistol bullets, being in general shorter than rifle bullets of the same
    caliber and thus having less mass, will come down a bit more slowly all else
    being equal.
     
    J. Clarke, May 19, 2009
  16. Shawn Hirn

    Chris H Guest

    This is not correct in any shape or form

    Upon leaving the muzzle friction and gravity play a part. The bullet
    will start to slow as soon as it leaves the barrel.

    The nearer the vertical the more direct the effect of gravity and the
    faster the bullet slows. When fired horizontal the effect of gravity is
    ay 90 degrees and pulls the bullet down but not back.

    If fired vertically eventually at some point the bullet will cease
    upwards movement.

    It will then descend downwards starting from zero accelerating at
    32m/s/s to its terminal velocity determined by it's mass and friction

    It will achieve nothing like muzzle velocity.

    I can post all the maths from by ballistics books if you like? (Seer
    and Sierra bullet loading manuals)
     
    Chris H, May 19, 2009
  17. Shawn Hirn

    Chris H Guest

    Then as I have suspected you are an idiot.

    There is a vast difference between reported gun crime and actual gun
    crime and the number of guns in circulation.

    Ie the number of guns used in a reported crime.

    the number of guns used in a crime (inter gang fighting, muggings etc)
    that is not reported.

    And the number of illegal guns carried but not actually used (other than
    occasionally waving around)

    By guns I mean firearms. The UK police sometimes tend to drop air
    weapons into the mix depending on what the want to do with the stats
    (and they wonder why people don't trust them). .

    Talk to the police. I have and do. There is also are hell of a lot more
    guns in the UK than there were. Specifically sub-machine guns that were
    never legal in the UK.

    The Eastern Europeans and Drugs people are even more heavily armed than
    before.

    It is very easy to get almost any type of illegal firearm in the UK.

    Before you quote any government statistics remember the Independent
    Office of statistics has already had a go at the government about it's
    miss use of statistics. Particularly in respect to the crime figures.

    BTW If gun crime is so low why have the numbers of armed officers
    increased at such a high rate. (And that had NOTHING to do with
    terrorism as we have had terrorism since the early 1960's )

    I expect from William an answer like "I know and you are wrong" with no
    evidence or credibility what so ever. As he did in his private emails to
    me.

    I William also set the follow ups to a different NG. I think we have
    another troll
     
    Chris H, May 19, 2009
  18. Shawn Hirn

    whisky-dave Guest

    they aren't that easy, you do have to know the right people.
    I've lived my area of london for 20+ years and haven't seen a gun shop.
    In fact I've never seen a gun shop in England I giess you can buy them
    somewhere though. I did hear of a pub a few miles away where you could
    get one for about £200 'under the counter'.

    They do.
    Just look at the stats.


    So gun clubs don't have guns, that looks pretty bad for our
    2012 olympic team then, how the frak will they practice.

    Ah computer simulation
     
    whisky-dave, May 19, 2009
  19. whisky-dave wrote:


    I did hear of a pub a few miles away where you could
    Everyone's heard of a pub a few miles away where you can pick up a
    Kalashnikov for a couple of hundred quid.

    When you get there it's always 'Sorry mate, just sold the last one, I've
    got some lovely kitchen knives and a baseball bat though...'


    The UK pistol team has to practice abroad.
     
    William Black, May 19, 2009
  20. Shawn Hirn

    J. Clarke Guest

    So you're saying that you are safer in England after the gun laws than
    before? Or are you basing that on comparison between the UK and the US,
    where the homicide rate with weapons that are not firearms is higher than
    the UK total homicide rate, and assuming that the only difference is gun
    laws?
     
    J. Clarke, May 19, 2009
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.