Samsung's mirrorless APS cheaper than micro 4/3rds cameras

NX10. By quite a large margin. $699 with an 18-55mm kit lens.

 

Well it is a Samsung, not a Panasonic, Olympus or LeicaSonic

 

... or you could get a "proper" camera for even less:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0907/09073005nikond3000.asp

David

 

Click-whir "I must buy a traditional DSLR," click, whir....

 

You really should get that oiled, Rich.

You want wider than 18mm, longer than 200mm? You want fixed focal length
lenses? You want image stabilisation? You want an optical finder? Then
the NX10 is not for you today.

David

 

I'm tempted by the Panasonic GF1 although it lacks a decent viewfinder
and stabilization (except some lenses) just because it's small & seems
easy to use with good AF & controls and that 20mm f/1.7 pancake lens.
The price sucks though.

BTW here's what a 45mm Ai-P pancake looks like with adapter on a GF1:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v686/winginging/craigslist 2010/IMG_6053.jpg
Kind of silly, but interesting how much difference in the mount. It
could be handy with a longer lens kept in your pocket like a 75-150
Series E would be darn near like a 300mm f/2.8, or a 105 macro lens,
50mm fast prime, etc.

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I've wanted to look through that camera for some time - strange how all
the times I've tried there has never been a battery in the demo camera! I
do feel that stabilisation is a must, and the lack of it in the NX10 is a
deal-breaker.

Yes, rather silly! If I want something compact, I take my Panasonic TZ3
(and have to compromise on ISO).

Cheers,
David

 

The add-on EVF is supposed to be just sort of adequate and costs another
$200, which is probably a deal breaker for me. You'd think they could
make a simple optical range finder clip on for the 20mm lens.

Not really a deal breaker for me.
No stabilizer in the lenses either?
I wouldn't even bother getting the stabilized kit lens for the GF1 and
the un-stabilized 20/1.7 wouldn't really need it.

The Oly m4/3 is supposed to not handle very well.

The Samsung 30mm f/2 sounds reasonably useful.

My only compact is a 10 year old Oly 3MP as big as these.

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I saw no mention of lens-based stabilisation, no.

If you're into just wide-angle, image stabilisation is certainly less of
an issue, but even so it can extend your taking speeds down to 1/8s or
1/4s with wide-angle lenses, which can be useful for interiors without a
tripod. Not so good if your subject is moving, of course, except for
special effects.

Cheers,
David

 

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I'm not sure they have a lot of time, to be honest.

When I last looked, Olympus lenses were rather expensive, and yet lacked
image stabilisation, even in the telephotos.

David

 

Better, eh?

On what basis are they "better"?

 

Olympus do the image stabilisation in the camera, not the lens.

 

I don't know a lot about different Oly dslr models, but the E-620 has
sensor shift IS. I understand sensor-shift is not as effective as lens
based, but on the other hand it makes for lighter lenses and allows you
to achieve IS with adapter mounted lenses ... (point of special interest
to me).

-P.

 

Thanks, Chris. If the Olympus lenses don't even have IS, there's less
excuse for them being so expensive. There is no IS in the Samsung NX10,
either lens or camera. I think they will need that before being taken
even half-seriously.

Cheers,
David

 

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Thanks, Peter. If you have particular needs, that obviously influences
what you buy.

Cheers,
David

 

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You haven't used a long telephoto lens hand-held with in-lens IS, have
you?

Cheers,
David

 

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:53:49 GMT, "David J Taylor"

I agree. It is a pity that Samsung had not extended its co-operation
with Pentax beyond DSLRs to include the NX series. Samsung would
then have had access to Pentax' in-body stabilisation technology for
the NX10.

Instead, the relationship was terminated altogether, leaving Pentax in
a fairly desperate state. And Samsung without stabilisation.

 

Also IS isn't a fixed technology. It keeps improving. So if you want
the extra stop or so of extra IS that's just been developed you either
have to buy a new set of lenses, or just a new body, which you were
probably going to buy anyway. If your lenses are full of
electromechanical technology they're goiong to age a lot faster.

 

It doesn't have it all. It doesn't have MLU!

But it does have two excellent new features you didn't mention. The
first is a big bright LCD with adaptive brightness which can easily be
seen in weak sunlight. (The strong sunlight test is still a few months
away in these northern latitudes

The second is that in addition to the secondary sensor live view which
gives you fast AF with live view, you can also switch with one button
press to image sensor live view with magnification up to pixel level
all over the image. Makes critical manual focusing to the millimetre
so easy it's a delight to use!

 

I certainly haven't, but given all the rumours about how badly
in-camera IS performs with long lenses I was pleasantly surprised to
discover how well it worked with my 500mm.