RIAA knocking on evil doer p-2-p uploaders doors to search-n-seize.........

Discussion in 'Computer Security' started by 'Ole, Feb 15, 2004.

  1. 'Ole

    'Ole Guest

    I personally have no black and white stance on p-2-p file sharing....

    What I do find amazing (correct me if I'm wrong here) is the RIAA or it's
    Candian equivilant, and it's apparent claim to/right to track down people as
    if it itself, had policing powers ???

    Where do these people get off, and what legal right do they have to go to an
    ISP and demand detailed information about the ISP's users; Don't you
    normally in a democracy (we were one -last time I checked, although Dubya is
    fast ending that with Evil Doer legislation) have to like actually have a
    piece of paper from like a judge or something before you can start knocking
    down doors ?

    My understanding is these people (RIAA) are actually knocking on evil doer
    p-2-p uploaders doors to search-n-seize.........shades of nazi germany......
    'Ole, Feb 15, 2004
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  2. subpoena's can be obtained through a lawyer and registered with the
    courts system, not necessarily by a judge.... therefore, *if* the ISP
    doesn't have the will nor the capital to fund a fight, they'll cave.

    Colonel Flagg

    Privacy at a click:

    Q: How many Bill Gates does it take to change a lightbulb?
    A: None, he just defines Darkness? as the new industry standard..."

    "...I see stupid people."
    Colonel Flagg, Feb 15, 2004
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  3. 'Ole

    Jim Watt Guest

    After all Britney Spears needs an extra jet.

    All I get is Jehova's witlesses.
    Jim Watt, Feb 15, 2004
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    Solbu Guest

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    In my country (Norway), they do, yes.

    If they came here & did what apparently RIAA does in the states,
    the Juge would dismiss the case, due to illegal evidence.

    Even in the DVD Jon case, they had to get a search warant.

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    Harri Mellin Guest

    if you want them to go open the door naked
    Harri Mellin, Feb 15, 2004
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    Gladys Pump Guest

    Got to remember that one. Hehe.

    Regs, Pete.
    Gladys Pump, Feb 15, 2004
  7. 'Ole

    Gladys Pump Guest

    Is that the voice of experience ? :)

    I've noticed they are getting sly in their tactics now. Instead of the
    default 'one-old-bird-and-a-younger-priesty-looking-bloke' stance, they've
    started pressing younger women into action in what I can only assume is a
    ploy to get the male dwellers to the door for more than the standard 10
    seconds it takes to say, "No thanks !". Or a more colourful version.

    Unfortunately, one of the guys I work with is a witless. Right pain in the
    arse too. Too bad if our work syndicate wins anything on the lottery :)

    Regs, Pete.
    Gladys Pump, Feb 15, 2004
  8. 'Ole

    Jim Watt Guest

    I believe its a problem as they are only supposed to marry within the
    faith, and there are more women than men.

    However, as they work from a playbook, I suggest:

    Opener: Hello we are going round talking about religion

    Answer: I believe there is one supreme intelligent being,
    you have just met him, you are boring him, now leave.

    .... there is no answer to that.

    You could always ask your man at work why the world did not
    end in 1976 as they predicted.

    There is also the option of a 'no religious callers' sign
    and since the second edition of mine, its been 100%
    effective. Perhaps it could be marketed.
    Jim Watt, Feb 15, 2004
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    Rowdy Yates Guest

    Ms. Spears makes her money from total entertainment & merchandising. not
    music sales per se.

    I am not saying I feel bad for the music industry. In fact I am getting a
    guitly pleasure out of the whole thing.

    for years the music industiry were selling what cost them $1 to $2 to
    produce for around $20 more or less. not including the dirty accounting
    practices they employ on the actual artists themselves from where the
    product actually comes from. they were laughing all the way to the bank.

    now no one wants to buy music. a classic case of, "you get what's coming
    to you in the end".

    the music industyry is still going to be around. but before that happens
    and the dust settles, that entire industry is going to have to get re-
    engineered from head to tow. which also means a lot of people are going to
    be without jobs. hence, all the pathetic moaning and groaning from the
    major record labels.
    Rowdy Yates, Feb 15, 2004
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    Gladys Pump Guest

    In any other case, a welcome change. :)
    Hmm, might be worth a try if I've got the bottle ! To be honest, I'd be more
    interested in whether or not the birds have got anything on under those big
    If he wasn't such a rude old coffin-dodger, I would. I'll save that one for
    when he next steps up on his soapbox. Shouldn't have long to wait ... :/
    Did you buy a Rottweiler at the same time Jim ? My signs never work :/

    Ok, they're home-made but I thought they'd still work just the same.

    Example for paperboys/girls:

    AT MY CAR !

    For the Postman :

    LAZY C**T !

    For the pyramid sellers, sorry ... Multi-heh-level-bwahaha-marketing :


    For Religious Callers including, but not limited to, Jehova's Witlesses :

    7PM TONIGHT : BLACK MASS - LIVE GOATS THIS TIME (sorry about before)


    Actually, come to think of it, I think going to the door naked is the
    quickest. :)

    Regs, Pete.
    Gladys Pump, Feb 15, 2004
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    Ford Prefect Guest

    Not in Canada! The new privacy laws that came into effect nation-wide
    on January 1, 2004, do not allow for this approach, as this is nothing
    more than a fishing expedition. The information can only be released
    if there is a lawful investigation in progress, and even then can be
    protected. In this particular instance, there is no lawful
    investigation in progress.
    Ford Prefect, Feb 15, 2004
  12. 'Ole

    Ford Prefect Guest

    Caveat -- my comments pertain to the situation in Canada...

    They do not have police powers and therefore have to proveed through
    the courts to obtain any information. They can initiate a civil suit,
    but they cannot enter anyone's premises and demand anything -- if they
    did, they would blow their case out of the water and would be facing
    crimmnal charges of trespassing and threatening.

    Something that may also work against them is that the Canadian
    recording industry lobbied for and succeeded in getting the federal
    government to implement a tax on all recording media. The media taxes
    are meant to compensate artists and comanies for sales losses caused
    by downloading activities. This approach is being regraded in some
    legal cricles as tacit approval of downloading....
    They are arrogant and are trying to cover up the fact that they
    screwed up big time -- they missed a golden opportunity to handle this
    properly, but were too stupid and greedy to understand what to do.
    They haven't any legal right to make these demands. They can file a
    civil suit and claim the ISP is causing them damage, but recent CRTC
    rulings and changes to terms and conditions of telecommunications
    service provision may actually work against them.
    They have no rigt to enter any premises without a search warrant...
    and warrants are not issued to companies or associations. This would
    otherwise equate to providing them special police powers or status as
    special constables (very tightly controlled here in the Great White
    North). Entering without a search warrant would be considered "break
    and enter" or trespassing at the least and you could then call the
    cops and have them arrested.
    They do so at their own peril up here... they do not have the
    authority for such actions with out a court order and police involvement.
    Ford Prefect, Feb 15, 2004
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    Harri Mellin Guest

    nope info on how to get rid of them on a cd with punk music =)
    here in sweden they moved over to telephone terror insted of door terror =)
    Harri Mellin, Feb 15, 2004
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    Jim Watt Guest

    On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:36:59 +0000, Gladys Pump


    How about a 'I hired Tony Martin as a doorman'
    Jim Watt, Feb 15, 2004
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    Ford Prefect Guest

    Note the difference in Canada... it is NOT illegal to download music
    or other files from the Internet, but it IS illegal to upload the
    files and make them readily available. The CRIA (Canadian Recording
    Industry Association) is going after the ones who are making the files
    avialable, not those users who are donloading them.

    As of this afternoon, the CRIA case is on hold until March 12th.
    Ford Prefect, Feb 17, 2004
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    'Ole Guest

    any good links to this CRIA stuff ?


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    'Ole, Feb 20, 2004
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    Ford Prefect Guest

    Ford Prefect, Feb 22, 2004
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