Raw photo software

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Mayayana, Aug 11, 2012.

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    Mayayana Guest

    XP 32-bit. Can anyone shed some light on stable options
    for processing raw photos?

    Photos from Nikon and Panasonic cameras.

    No Photoshop.

    RawTherapee sometimes crashes with a VC++ runtime error.

    UFRaw crashes generally. (GIMP 2.8 is installed with UFRaw
    installed to the GIMP folder. I haven't yet tried installing an
    earlier GIMP version.)

    Found Delaboratory but haven't yet tried it.

    Another option seems to be Photiva. But Delaboratory
    and Photiva both seem to be lacking even the most
    basic documentation.

    Panasonic software is pretty good, but only for the
    Panasonic camera. Nikon's ViewNX is limited and their
    more involved software is expensive.
    Mayayana, Aug 11, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Try Corel PhotoPaint.
    PeterN, Aug 11, 2012
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    Bruce Guest

    Try here:
    Bruce, Aug 11, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > XP 32-bit. Can anyone shed some light on stable options
    | > for processing raw photos?
    | lightroom.

    The latest version doesn't support XP. But I'm
    not sure it's really what I'm looking for, either.
    It seems to be a photo organizer. (The descriptions
    are vague.)
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Try Corel PhotoPaint.

    That seems to be a basic grpahic editor. I'm looking
    specifically for a raw photo editor. At this point I'm
    looking for open source options, mainly because the
    price of Photoshop is absurd. But a very good program
    at a reasonable price would also be fine.
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Try here:
    | <http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5389>

    That's something I didn't know about, but how
    does it apply to raw photo editors? UFRaw and
    RawTherapee can both handle different formats.
    I can open a Nikon .NEF in either, for instance.
    It's just that the programs themselves don't seem
    to be stable. Would conversion to the neutral format
    help with that?
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    maybe you can still find an older version.
    it's an organizer, raw processor, output manager (print, web, slide
    show, books, etc.) and more.

    it does just about everything most people need.

    highly recommended.

    30 day free trial (although probably not for the older xp compatible
    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    adobe camera raw (part of lightroom) will process just about any raw
    format there is.
    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    I was just playing with Corel PhotoPaint, Sorry, I meant Paint Shop Pro,
    also a Corel product. They have a 30day free trial.
    PeterN, Aug 12, 2012
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Is there any reason you don't want to run Photoshop Elements 10?
    J. Clarke, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Is there any reason you don't want to run Photoshop Elements 10?

    I don't know. I'm looking for recommendations from
    people who work with raw photos. My only experience
    with PS Elements was a few years ago. It was junk.
    $100 for what was actually just a repackaging of the
    shareware PS3. But it may be very different now.

    It's hard to compare these different programs, so I
    was looking to narrow down the list of possibilities to
    programs that experienced photographers recommend.
    I have Paint Shop Pro 5 and the GIMP, which covers
    general graphic editing. The need is specifically for
    raw editing.

    In general I'd prefer to avoid Adobe. Their software
    is *very* bloated and *very* expensive. But at this
    point I'm not ruling out anything. It sounds like everyone
    here is using Adobe products. No one has commented
    on UFRaw, RawTherapee, or anything else open-source.
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I have and use Adobe CS4, but I also have Elements 9.0. My daughter
    doesn't have CSanything, so I bought E 9.0 and installed it on both my
    computer and her computer. (Adobe allows two installs of Elements).
    She's learning E9.0, and I have it so I can help her in this process.

    I'm not going to try to make you like Elements, but it's not "junk"
    and it does much more than Gimp. Less than CSX, but E 10.0 has the
    RAW capability you want, and it's available for less than $100. If
    you buy a copy of E 9.0 on eBay, it's much less and has the RAW
    capability. There's very little I can do in CS4 that I can't do in
    Elements 9.0.

    Lightroom, of course, also has RAW capability but you'd have to learn
    a new series of steps in general editing to take advantage of LR.
    Jumping from Gimp to Elements would be easier than jumping from Gimp
    to LR. A big factor in the choice, though, would be
    cataloging/keywording aspect of LR. If this is of interest, it might
    sway the decision.

    When you say a program is "junk", it doesn't mean anything other than
    a general aversion to it. If you want helpful information, you have
    to provide some information about what you think is lacking. Those of
    us who have some experience with the program can then address your
    specific comments.
    tony cooper, Aug 12, 2012
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    Bruce Guest

    I don't know, but I suggested it as another approach, one that you
    haven't tried yet.

    There's also Lightroom, but it isn't free and there's no guarantee it
    will be stable on your hardware. You might like to try increasing
    your computer's RAM.

    All graphics applications thrive on RAM, the more the better. The
    instability may happen when you run out of RAM and the application has
    to run via swap files (virtual RAM) on your hard disk.
    Bruce, Aug 12, 2012
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    Bruce Guest

    But if it reads .dng files, use Adobe DNG converter (free).
    Bruce, Aug 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    photoshop elements is the same as standard photoshop but without the
    stuff pros need, such as cmyk, lab, etc. non-pros more than likely
    won't ever miss any of that.
    there are trial versions, making it very easy to compare.
    some of their stuff is expensive while other product are not. photoshop
    elements is very cheap and often bundled for free with hardware.
    that's because adobe products are generally very, very good.
    most of those are crap.
    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    that's funny. a couple of weeks ago you insisted elements was $99 after
    i said it was available for less than $100. i guess you learned
    nonsense. the raw processing is identical to photoshop. we went over
    this already. it's the *same* camera raw engine as in photoshop,
    including elements.
    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    Guest Guest

    that part is generally true.
    that is pure nonsense. it will just be slower. stability is unaffected.
    Guest, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    | All graphics applications thrive on RAM, the more the better. The
    | instability may happen when you run out of RAM and the application has
    | to run via swap files (virtual RAM) on your hard disk.
    I actually did increase to 4 GB and put the 3 GB switch
    in boot.ini, which allows software to use 3 GB on Win32.
    Raw Therapee advises that. But it's still crashing. :)
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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    Mayayana Guest

    Thanks, both of you, for sharing your opinions.
    I was hoping to hear personal opinions and
    experience about various things.

    This is all slightly awkward in that I'm trying to help
    a friend. She knows about cameras and photography.
    In the long run I think she's going to want to fullest
    possible range of functionality.
    I know about Windows, programming and to some
    extent digital graphics. I don't do much photography,
    but do work with computer graphics. So I'm also interested
    to learn about the general landscape of raw processing.

    It's been hard for me to assess the software options,
    partly because I don't know the camera settings and partly
    because I'm not clear about the different raw operations.
    (Maybe those are the same thing?)

    My impression was that what's called "Lab" is
    just basic raster functions like brightness/contrast that
    are already in "normal" graphic editors. Is there any easy
    explanation or list to differentiate basic raster operations
    from functions unique to raw photos?

    Lightroom: The latest version won't run on XP, so
    that's definitely out.

    About cataloguing and keywording: In general I think
    I'd consider that an obstacle, personally. A surprising
    number of the programs I've looked at put an Explorer
    treeview on the left and then want to display thumbnails
    of all photos in a folder. I don't want that sort of "help".
    I don't like software that tries to "protect me from the
    challenges" of navigating the filesystem.

    About calling software junk: The version of Photoshop
    Elements I tried was probably concurrent with PS v. 6 or
    7. I called it junk because, for the price, it was. The executable
    file for the program actually said it was Photoshop 3 in the
    embedded version information. I'm pretty sure that PS3 was
    cheap shareware. It probably sold for a lot less than $100.
    (I have a brother who got PS4 for free with a scanner.)
    PS3/Elements 6/7 only had one level of Undo. Old shareware
    with one level of Undo for $100, being presented as a limited
    version of a current product, seemed like a sneaky cheat to
    ...But, as I said, I haven't tried Elements since that time.
    Those two programs, at least, suffer from common drawbacks
    of open-source software. The interface of RawTherapee is very
    awkward. It doesn't even have a menu or right-click functionality.
    On the other hand, I was looking into them because I had come
    across conversations among what seemed to be professional
    photographers who repeatedly recommended Raw Therapee in
    particular. (Though from what I can tell, all such open source
    products are actually just wrappers around a base library known
    as dcraw.)
    Mayayana, Aug 12, 2012
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