Programs taking longer and longer to start up. Help please.

Discussion in 'Computer Information' started by Goforit, Jul 23, 2004.

  1. Goforit

    Goforit Guest

    I have XP and have recently deleted a heap of old files to free up some disk
    space. Currently I am running with around 60% free space. I defrag my drive
    every second day and run Adaware and Spybot daily. I also run Anti-virus at
    least every 2nd day.

    No matter what I do I can't get my programs to start up any quicker. For
    example, I click on the 'Defrag' icon on my desktop and it takes a good
    20-30 seconds to load. I click on the 'Works' icon and it takes around the
    same time.

    This was never the case when the unit was new. I'm wondering if it is normal
    for components to deteriorate with age or is there another reason why
    loading takes so long? The unit is only 18 months old. HP 710a. 1.47 GHz AMD
    Athlon, 256 MB SDRAM, and 40GB hard drive.

    With 60% free space, and nothing running in the background, 20-30 seconds is

    Any advice?

    Thanks folks.
    Goforit, Jul 23, 2004
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    Matthew Guest

    That is unusual. I'm not sure that defragging every other day is good for
    your system though. I would recommend only doing it once or twice a month.
    Look in the task manager under processes and see how many processes you have
    running. closing some unnecessary ones may help your performance. You might
    try installing some more RAM too and seeing of that helps.
    Matthew, Jul 23, 2004
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  3. Goforit

    WebWalker Guest

    Do you have a lot programs running from the Windows' startup ?

    Check :-
    StartMenu > All Programs > Startup

    and check here as well :-
    StartMenu > Run > "msconfig" (without quote)
    Goto "Startup" tab.

    p/s Disk defrag in every two days is kind of extreme to me. It will just
    wear out your HD actually ...
    WebWalker, Jul 23, 2004
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    Trent© Guest

    1. Compact all the folders in OE.

    2. Delete all the temp files in IE.

    3. Do a search for *.tmp Delete all that you find.

    4. Optimize the registry.

    5. Find and run Bootviz 1.3.37.msi Be careful of this one, though.
    It won't screw up your system...but it may not boot the way you like
    afterward. Some folks don't like its results. So do a clone you can revert back to the old one if you don't like it.

    You might also consider not defraging as often. Although the defrag
    portion is good for the drive, the consolidation feature can actually
    make things run a bit slower...until the drive finds some open spots

    Try a defrag once a week...then go to 2 weeks...then longer. Compare
    the results...then choose the time frame that seems the best to you.

    Also...consider getting a different defrag program. Vopt is very
    good...and gives you some extra options on tweaking your system.

    Good luck.

    Have a nice week...


    NUDITY...birth control for folks over 50!
    Trent©, Jul 24, 2004
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    Trent© Guest

    I forgot one thing...

    Run a chkdsk. You should do this along with the above maintenance.

    Have a nice week...


    NUDITY...birth control for folks over 50!
    Trent©, Jul 24, 2004
  6. Goforit

    Goforit Guest

    Thanks everyone for the replies. Much appreciated. I had no idea a disk
    defrag could actually do some damage if used too often.

    In relation to chkdsk, I get about half way through it and it just hangs. I
    end up having to 'Ctrl, Alt, Delete' to get rid of the thing.

    I will also check out Vopt. At the moment, I use Diskeeper Lite. I have also
    done 3 of those things you mentioned. i.e. Compact all folders, Delete all
    temp files, Delete all found *.tmp files. Don't seem to make a difference.

    Unfortunately, my knowledge stops there. I'll have to do a Google on
    Optimising the Registry. Wouldn't have a clue how to do it.

    Thanks again Trent and others.
    Goforit, Jul 24, 2004
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    Thor Guest

    I think it more appropriate to call it "possibly shortening it's lifespan".
    Look, when you defrag, you are putting your drive in a state of operation
    where it is doing a maximum of workload, and sustaining that maximum
    workload for a lengthy amount of time. If you were to monitor your
    harddrive's temperature readings (many harddrives these days have temp
    sensing, that can often be monitored by applications like Speedfan, etc.)
    you will typically see them increase several degrees during a prolonged high
    workload operation like a defrag. These days with 7200, and 10,000 RPM
    drives that typically heat up much more than the older 5400, and 4500RPMs
    drives, and with case temperatures in general, getting hotter than they used
    to get, harddrive temps are getting more important to monitor. A harddrive
    is a mechanical device with motors, bearings, fast moving parts, etc. It
    stands to reason that when you cause such a mechanical device to frequently
    perform at a higher temperature, and at a sustained high workload, you are
    probably reducing it's longevity. Some drives may come through it and last
    as long as you would require it, before upgrading, and others may not be so
    robust, and may fail on you long before they would have otherwise. You
    cannot really predict it from a user's standpoint. However, since there is
    virtually no benefit gained by defragging so frequently as you are doing,
    you may as well give your poor drive a rest. Once per month or couple of
    months is more than enough for the typical user. Hell, I'm lucky if I defrag
    3 times a year.
    Not a good sign. You may want to get a utility that can retrieve the
    S.M.A.R.T data from the harddrive, and see if the drive has any reallocated
    sectors. Get Speedfan, and it will tell you. It will also let you monitor
    your drive's temperature if it has an internal sensor.
    Thor, Jul 24, 2004
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    Trent© Guest

    It doesn't really do any damage. Just remember that most defrag
    programs work in 2 segments...the defrag...and then the consolidation.
    You can often get better results if you bypass the consolidation.
    Let it run for an hour or so...THEN you can call it 'hanging'. You
    may have index problems with NTFS.
    Simply download and run a program that does that. There are several
    out there.

    Have a nice week...


    NUDITY...birth control for folks over 50!
    Trent©, Jul 24, 2004
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    DeMoN LaG Guest

    Are you running it from within Windows, or are you opening a command prompt
    and typing:
    chkdsk c: /x and letting it run at reboot?
    DeMoN LaG, Jul 24, 2004
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    Goforit Guest

    Thanks again folks. Appreciate the feedback.

    DL, I am running it from Windows, not command prompt, however will give it a
    go. Thanks again.
    Goforit, Jul 25, 2004
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