Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Jim34, Sep 18, 2007.

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    Mick Brown Guest

    LOL You could say that about nearly every Govt, including mine :))

    Mick Brown
    Mick Brown, Sep 18, 2007
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    Frank Guest

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  5. Especially ours. Come next November we're going to "speak to them"


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    Robert L Bass, Sep 18, 2007
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    trijcomm Guest

    Hmm ... not one picture from that symposium where Iran said the
    Holocaust never occurred. This little piece of propaganda was pretty
    weak. You could have found similar pictures of Germany in the 30s and
    trijcomm, Sep 18, 2007
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    T Guest

    The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical

    Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
    even him.

    A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and it
    was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about it
    issues but it's a modern city.

    More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
    Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
    could see change sooner than later.
    T, Sep 18, 2007
  8. Iranians hate the Shah but miss the lifestyle they had under him.
    The people want a situation more like Turkey.

    Edward M. Kennedy, Sep 18, 2007
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    Paul M. Cook Guest

    All rational assessments claim that Iran, if they wanted to, could not
    produce a weapon for 5-10 years. And from what the sources who were right
    on Iraq are saying, they do not want to and there is no evidence that they
    are. What they are doing just happens to be legal as they are a signatory
    to the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. A treaty which Israel and India
    are not signatories yet we give them nuclear technology and now even fuel.
    There is every indication that a peaceful change of government could occur.
    Don't forget that on 9-11 millions of Iranians marched in the streets of
    Tehran with signs saying "we are all Americans today." Great strides had
    been taken by the moderate, pro-western, government they had at the time.
    That was all thrown into the garbage with Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
    Without that speech, quite likely the moderate voices would prevail today.
    As it was all we succeeded in doing was proving that we could not be trusted
    and that is all the radicals needed to regain control.

    War is coming. Of that there is no doubt. Even if the spineless democrats
    wanted to, they'd not be able to stop it. And what will come of it will be
    of global reach and will cause vast pain and misery for a long, long time.

    Paul M. Cook, Sep 18, 2007
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    Janet Guest

    Interesting photos, thanks.

    Although I completely oppose the idea of attacking Iran--and opposed the
    invasion of Iraq--I find the choice of musical accompaniment rather
    interesting, since the convert-to-Islam version of Cat Stevens came out in
    public support of the fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie. Not
    the action of a peace activist, hmmm?
    Janet, Sep 18, 2007
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    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Rushdie is still alive and making public appearances. The Fatwa was a
    symbolic gesture. If they were serious, he would not have lasted a day.
    Britain has a great many Muslims and I'm sure one would have gotten the job

    Paul M. Cook, Sep 18, 2007
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    trijcomm Guest

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    trijcomm Guest

    And so they went out and elected who they did as their president. I
    think your statements here are more wishful thinking and hoping than
    anything else -- much like the German sympathizers before WWII.
    trijcomm, Sep 18, 2007
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    trijcomm Guest

    Your statement about they ayatollahs and the youth are simply wishful
    thinking. True, the youth may want to wear their hair differently, but
    they hate the Jews just as much as anyone in leadership or else they
    wouldn't have elected those leaders in the first place.
    trijcomm, Sep 18, 2007
  15. Do you know a anything about Iran? You probably think they are
    Arabs too.

    Public support for reform is strong -- see the previous president
    who served two terms and was very popular, especially among the
    women and youth. You might as well claim America is a bible
    thumping nation just because we elected Reagan and the Bush clan.

    Or you could read National Geographic's last article on the place.

    There is a significant Islamic law faction, but it isn't so much
    anti-West as anti-Israel and anti-America. Unfortunately they
    got enough power to keep it -- they started keeping reformists
    from running for office in 1994.

    Edward M. Kennedy, Sep 18, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    I guess Lebanon is similar in many ways, most people lead a life not that
    far removed from many in the "Western World" but sadly the separation of
    Church and State does not occur.
    Pete D, Sep 18, 2007
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    T Guest

    The Shah was a CIA backed puppet but a puppet who brutally put down
    dissent in his own country.

    That makes it easy to understand why people likes the lifestyle during
    that time period but hated the Shah.
    T, Sep 18, 2007
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    T Guest

    I found the video I had mentioned in an earlier post, it's called Rageh
    in Iran where BBC reporter Rageh Omaar visits. Even gets to kneel down
    and pray with Amahdinejad at the opening of a new tunnel.

    The video is an hour and a half.
    T, Sep 18, 2007
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    HeyBub Guest

    It does in Lebanon - or used to. The Prime Minister was, by law, a Christian
    and the President a Muslim (or vice-versa, I forget). Lebanon was once the
    Rivera of the Middle East: banking center, vacation spot, high standard of

    Then the PLO was evicted from Jordan and moved to Lebanon. The country's
    been a basket case ever since.
    HeyBub, Sep 18, 2007
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    willshak Guest

    I was in Beirut a few times when I was in the US Navy in the late 50s.
    It was a beautiful modern looking city, and I walked all over it,
    sometimes alone, and always in uniform. Never had any problem, and most
    times I was ignored. I and two others took a taxi up to Baalbek for a
    visit to the ruins.
    The best time was in September, when we would go ashore, and look at all
    the latest new American cars riding around.
    I spent 26 months over in the Med.
    willshak, Sep 18, 2007
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