Photo of dying marine: was it right for AP to publish?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Kulvinder Singh Matharu, Sep 7, 2009.

  1. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Well there are so many more pictures of the dead civilians.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  2. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    There will never be a stable "US style" government in Afghanistan. IT is
    not what the people and culture want. If a US style government is
    forced on them it will disintegrate in a few years.

    What the US does not realise is their way is not only not the only way
    it is not the best way for many cultures and civilisations. In fact
    most parts of the world (that have been civilised many centuries longer
    than the US has existed) don't want a US style "democracy"
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  3. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    This was discussed on uk.current-events.terrorisum years ago.

    The Arabs and Afghanis have a civilisation (yes they ARE civilised)
    going back 3 millennium. The US has been around about 300 years...

    What you have to realise is the Arabs, Afghanis etc have a very
    different view on time to Americans. Al-Qeada won in Iraq. It wanted
    the US supported Saddam out and an Islamic republic (allied to Iran) in.
    It will take 20 years (from their start point in 1997) but they are
    well on the way. Saddam is gone, Iraq is leaning to Iran and the US has
    been humiliated.

    In Afghanistan all they have to do is keep the casualty rate high enough
    for American to loos heart or run out of money. At the moment it is a
    toss up with will happen first. But they have time to wait and see.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  4. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    You are.
    ???? There were many camps and they come and go. The infrastructure and
    the camps have not been destroyed.
    Being beaten.
    CRAP. Actually OBL was found three times in 2002 but a the order was
    delayed and he got away on all three occasions. BTW this was a MK1
    eyeball id at less than 1000 feet.
    People are still wondering why the shoot order was not given in 2002
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  5. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Oh dear.... 9/11 was the THIRD retaliation strike as predicted by OBL
    in 1997. The first two were US embassies.

    The war was started by the US in Afghanistan against Russia. The SIS
    and SAS both told the US *AT THE TIME* that training certain Afghan
    groups to fight the Russians was dangerous as they were not Political
    but religious.

    The Russians were an invader not "communists" and most Afghans can see
    no difference between the Russians and the Americans. (Though the
    Russians killed fewer civilians.)

    The US ignored the advice and went ahead. It trained several
    fundamental groups. They got rid of the Russians but turned Afghanestan
    pro Islamic.

    When they Islamic groups got rid of the Shar in Iran the US assisted
    Saddam into power and Iraq attacked Iran.

    So the US trained fighters wanted Saddam out. They have been working on
    it since the US trained and armed them. The US obliged and removed
    Saddam and the Iranians, Al-Qeada etc have moved in. the Americans will
    move out and (just like Vietnam in so many ways) Al-Qeada will have
    obtained all it's objectives. The US will have lost and largely by it's
    own hand.

    Afghanistan will go the same way. The Afghani's have time on their side.
    They will win in the sort term (to them short term is less than 50
    years)
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  6. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    In WW2 the equivalent of the embedded photographers did have their
    pictures "reviewed" and "selected" by the military who did not want to
    have too many pictures of dead bodies (in our uniforms) in the press
    Not just the soldiers how many pictures of dead Afghans and Iraq's have
    been published without a seconds thought to the relatives....
    I agree.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  7. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Capa was with the US military on D-Day and a lot of his photos were
    "reviewed and selected" by the military to limit the number of pictures
    of dead US personnel. However that was a different sort of fight. That
    was open battle field warfare.

    Afghanistan is a police action where the military are trying to keep
    things stable so the politicians and solve the problems,
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  8. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    As far as I know the army censored (as all did in those days) to some
    extent Many of Capa's pictures after D-Day were "reviewed and selected"
    and it was a different situation. SO there were some but few pictures
    of lots of [our] dead bodies.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  9. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    The Taliban did not kill anyone on 9/11... The Taliban are an Afghan
    Political party. A bunch of Saudis hit the WTC and they were part of Al-
    qeada. (both the Taliban and Al-Qeada were US trained and funded at
    one time)
    Actually there have been many such pictures and exhibitions of those
    pictures. There was a whole TV program about one victim. The pictures
    of the "falling man" have become iconic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Falling_Man

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810746/

    However the police were trying to stop people taking photos

    On the other hand.... who asked permission of the victims and families
    of those in the pictures taken by US Military when they were torturing
    Iraqi civilians.....
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  10. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest


    How dare you bring reality in to this argument?!

    In this case the US establishment is happy to see pictures of dead
    enemy but not dead US military.

    On the other hand pictures of hostages etc killed by the enemy are
    "useful" as it pushes up hatred of the despicable enemy.

    The enemy don't want to show pictures of their dead fighters.... but
    pictures of dead civilians show how bad the US military (in this case)
    really is.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  11. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Annika1980 Guest

    That's because Van Jones is a non-issue to anyone except Glenn Beck
    who has a hardon for him after Jones led the boycott of Beck's show.
     
    Annika1980, Sep 9, 2009
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  12. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Somewhat ill-disciplined and unprofessional.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  13. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    Hence the reputation the US military has for being third rate. It's
    people like you who destroy any good the US military might have done.
    Same attitude to tortured Iraqi civilians.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  14. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Rol_Lei Nut Guest


    And yet another Amrican right-winger shows his intellect, class and
    erudiction...

    Yes, the extreme right-wingers are the best & the brightest in the U.S.
    (Note for right-wingers: I'm in highly sarcastic mode now).

    It's a good thing that most of the rest of the world is more tolerant
    than you are, since your posts expose you as absolutely selfish,
    close-minded, murderous, ignorant and hate-filled lunatics.
     
    Rol_Lei Nut, Sep 9, 2009
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  15. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest

    I have heard all those... One (on TV) to one of the people at the lab.
    However it was on the days/weeks after that his other photos of the
    fighting were "reviewed and selected" at the time.

    I don't know if they have been published since.
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  16. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    SMS Guest

    It's so amusing to see the right wing lunatics jump from one non-issue
    to the next, desperately hoping to find something to attack Obama with
    that will actually stick. It's like a continuation of the presidential
    campaign, from birth certificates to Bill Ayers it never ends.

    Ah, the Washington Times. Some found a source that's actually less
    reliable than the National Enquirer and Fox.
     
    SMS, Sep 9, 2009
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  17. Calling Chris Matthews a professional news person is an insult to those that
    really are.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Sep 9, 2009
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  18. Kulvinder Singh Matharu

    Chris H Guest


    Also

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/episodes/robert-capa/in-love-
    and-war/47/

    should it have been published?
     
    Chris H, Sep 9, 2009
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  19. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

    "The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises"

    Current scorecard:

    Promises Kept: 41
    Compromise: 11
    Promises Broken: 7
    Stalled: 12
    In Progress: 91
    No action: 354

    - Solomon
     
    Stuffed Crust, Sep 9, 2009
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  20. A non-issue? A self-avowed communist and radical who has demostrated that
    he is also a racist being an advisor to the president is a non-issue?
    Remember, he hung himself with his own words and now he (and probably you)
    blame conservatives for his downfall.
     
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Sep 9, 2009
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