Hi all! Running FWSM Firewall Version 2.3(1) FWSM Device Manager Version 4.1(1) We have set up a few object-groups to set up management access to WAN routers outside the FWSM. It's something like this: static (inside,outside) 172.20.249.251 <real ip> netmask 255.255.255.255 and the object-group we want to use in the ACLs looks like this: object-group network nms_servers network-object host 172.20.249.251 network-object host 172.20.249.252 network-object host 172.20.249.253 ... and of course: access-list 123 extended permit icmp object-group <sources group> object-group nms_servers object-group <icmp types group> ... You get the picture, pretty basic stuff, I think. After having run PDM, new object-groups have appeared, such as: object-group network nms_servers_real1 network-object host <real ip> network-object host <real ip2> network-object host <real ip3> ... object-group network nms_servers_real1_ref4 network-object host 172.20.249.251 network-object host 172.20.249.252 network-object host 172.20.249.253 ... Apart from inflating the config file, there's nothing wrong with that. BUT also access-list statements have been modified! they now read: access-list 123 extended permit icmp object-group <sources group> object-group nms_servers_real1_ref4 object-group <icmp types group> This is upsetting. What happens now if I'd like to modify the original object-group? will i have to re-run PDM to have it rewrite access-list 123 to reflect the changes I have made to the groups? Or do it all exclusively via PDM from now on? *ieeeek* Am I missing something about PDMs inner workings here? I can't stand seeing software modifying what a user has configured - adding a line or two for itself is ok, but not changing things. And all this just because the CSO isnt' able to read and insists on having a colorful clickety thing to read the ACLs. Traffic monitoring is quite nice, I'll admit, but what does it have to go and rewrite the whole configuration for? Is there a way to prevent PDM from doing something like that? thanks for a hint or two Marc