NZ Linux users engage in Govt-MS bashing

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by Alex Axolotl, Nov 25, 2004.

  1. Alex Axolotl

    Alex Axolotl Guest

    Microsoft ??? Where ???
    Alex Axolotl, Nov 25, 2004
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  2. Alex Axolotl

    Alex Axolotl Guest

    The Dunford Sidestep
    Just answer the question
    Where is Microsoft mentioned and how are they being bashed ?
    Alex Axolotl, Nov 25, 2004
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    On Thursday the 18th of November, the WLUG was privileged to have
    RodneyHide, the leader of NewZealand's ACT political party, address us.

    See the MeetingTopics.2004-11-18 page for an outline of this enjoyable

    The WLUG should focus on raising Parliamentary questions, and Rodney will
    endeavor to assist us in formulating these in the most effective manner.

    Notes on the process:

    Questions should be as specific as possible, especially with respect to
    dates. This makes evading the questions difficult.
    The original answer documents can be requested if there is a suspicion
    that the provided answer may be male bovine fecal matter.

    With that in mind:

    RodneyHide asked us what questions we'd like various government
    departments asked. This page is where we can discuss questions and talk
    about rewording them before their submission. Each question is made into
    a title so that the discussion about that question can happen underneath.
    How much money has this department spent in the last financial year on
    commercial proprietary software products?

    Does this relate to maintaining/maintenance charges, or to purchase of
    new products? Suggest modifying to 'How much money has this department
    spent in the last financial year purchasing new commercial proprietary
    software products for which a viable open source alternative exists.'' -


    "Marriage is a lifelong covenant commitment between
    a man and a woman.

    This foundation provides the best possible
    environment to raise our children."
    Patrick Dunford, Nov 26, 2004
  4. Alex Axolotl

    AD. Guest

    Also... Where is the bashing?

    They sound like the tamest set of parliamentary questions in history.

    AD., Nov 26, 2004
  5. <plonk>

    So are you posting under your real name, still using about your 10th
    email address stolen off someone else's domain?
    Patrick Dunford, Nov 26, 2004
  6. Alex Axolotl

    AD. Guest

    Actually the addresses aren't exactly 'stolen'

    And at one time using them was the only way to munge your email address
    when using a certain free german news server.

    AD., Nov 26, 2004
  7. go to and have a read patrick... it is there for a good reason.
    Dave -, Nov 26, 2004
  8. Alex Axolotl

    Alex Axolotl Guest

    nomail.invalid a real address ????
    Alex Axolotl, Nov 26, 2004
  9. Alex Axolotl

    Alex Axolotl Guest

    dave doesn't own either ;-)
    Alex Axolotl, Nov 26, 2004
  10. And your point is?
    Patrick Dunford, Nov 26, 2004
  11. if people dont want to post with a real addy, thats their business,
    no-one elses.
    Dave -, Nov 26, 2004
  12. That isn't the issue, it is using someone else's domain that you don't
    Patrick Dunford, Nov 26, 2004
  13. Alex Axolotl

    Peter Guest

    This is legittimate lobbying.

    If this is Government bashing, then by the same token anti abortion
    lobbying and anti civil union lobbying would also be Government

    This pro open source software lobbying is aimed to stop or at least
    water down legislation and patent practices which potentially amount
    to a 21st century intellectual property version of the Enclosures Act
    (which took away the use of common land by the inhabitants of the
    British Isles).

    Or to put it another way, it is about the prospect of allowing
    Microsoft to install an intellectual property turnpike in NZ to
    appease the current US Government to keep those Microsoft donations
    flowing into the Republican Party's funds.
    Peter, Nov 26, 2004
  14. Alex Axolotl

    AD. Guest

    The owners of have given permission for the general public to
    use as an address when you don't want to give your real one.

    Look it up Patrick - nobody is stealing addresses.

    AD., Nov 26, 2004
  15. Let us not be in doubt that it is however anything other than a carefully
    disguised campaign against Microsoft.

    Patrick Dunford, Nov 26, 2004
  16. Alex Axolotl

    Chris Hope Guest

    Sounds like your paranoia to me. It sounds to me more like ACT are just
    trying to work out if they can cut expenses in Parlimanet...
    Chris Hope, Nov 26, 2004
  17. Alex Axolotl

    Peter Guest

    Hmmm, are you saying that criticism or questioning of Microsoft can not be
    permitted, under any circumstances?

    Peter, Nov 26, 2004
  18. Alex Axolotl

    Peter Guest

    There is no disguise here. It is common knowledge that people who
    care for liberty do not want to live in a totalitarian society
    effectively controlled by Microsoft and other big business interests.
    Peter, Nov 26, 2004
  19. Alex Axolotl

    thing Guest

    Patrick Dunford wrote:

    Lets see Steve Balmer threatens Asian Heads of State that via the WTO
    "someone" could come calling ie use Linux and not MS and get sued...

    The Open source movement is and indeed has moved beyond MS OSes, what is
    next is open source Java, databases and other open alternatives to
    commercial software.

    mysql can do what oracle can do for 90% of the applications for $5000 v
    $40,000US (per cpu?) Open source java will cause mayhem, look at IIS, MS
    has all but had to give it away to compete with Apache and still only
    holds 25% of the market. What do you think is going to happen the the
    prices charged by large US Corporations for their proprietry software
    when there is a viable and significantly cheaper alternative?

    Are such events going to make your life worse or easier? Commercial
    vendors have got to the stage they can screw huge sums out of projects
    when in reality where most NZers are going to make a % is in services.
    If you can offer a solution that is significantly cheaper than someone
    else who is going to win the work? If there is an open source
    alternative to sql/oracle/Informix do you not think it is going to
    substantially improve your bargining position when you look for a discount?
    why? I consider it reasonable that as a tax payer my money is well
    spent. Throwing it at a commercial vendor generally benefits a US/EU
    company and not a NZ one. The NZ one takes a small cut, so the money
    leaves NZ, it does not go back into our benefits us little
    and overseas comapnies heaps.

    ACT is taking an interest beause they smell easy prey, for too long
    Government mandarines have bought comercial products without due
    consideration of OSS alternatives.

    So, if more open source is used it has the potential to save NZ money
    and keep what is spent here, I cannot see how that is bad.


    thing, Nov 26, 2004
  20. Hi there,

    So you researched whether 'nomail.invalid' was already registered? :)
    Chris Wilkinson, Nov 26, 2004
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