New Unlimited Data Boardband From Xtra For $49 A Month.

Discussion in 'NZ Computing' started by E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006.

  1. E. Scrooge

    E. Scrooge Guest

    According to TV3 News.

    Guess what the complaints are now?
    ihug says the Xtra deals are better than they can offer and want something
    done to stop Xtra from offering realistic good deals to the people of NZ.

    By being super competitive with a realistic plan Xtra has seen the light at
    long last, and should do very well out of it by getting an even bigger share
    of the market out of it.

    If ihug can't match Xtra then tough luck, Xtra isn't in business for the
    benefit of ihug or any other ISP for that matter, and vice versa for that
    matter.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    Shane Guest


    Um
    The problem is, Ihug can only sell Xtra adsl
    Xtra's retail plans are (said to be) lower than what they sell people like
    Ihug, or so low as to make it uneconomic
    Ihug has no choice but to sell the Xtra adsl for more (Ihug has to recover
    its own costs for a start)
    I think Telstra pulled a similar stunt in oz a few years ago, and got stung
    by the Oz com com last year for the scheme
     
    Shane, Sep 26, 2006
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    whome Guest

    Dude, you're well off base. This is telecom abusing their monopoly and is a
    classic example of why telecom needs a good dealing to.
     
    whome, Sep 26, 2006
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    Stu Fleming Guest

    TC have had an unlimited ADSL plan for a while...if you can afford $600
    monthly.
    $150 for 2MB both ways and no data charges is about where it should be ;-)
     
    Stu Fleming, Sep 26, 2006
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  5. Yah! The Gummint should keep its meddling hands out of business! Leave
    Telecom and its monopoly alone.
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Sep 26, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    Dude, when Foodstuffs undercut everyone else you're not complaining then.

    Telecom has been under fire by ISP for not offering enough.
    Well the day is finally here when Telecom is offering good plans through
    Xtra.

    When ihug was the only major natiobwide ISP offering flat rate dial up plans
    in the country in the mid 90s. You weren't jumping up and down grizzling
    about unfair tactics to Telecom/Xtra during those times, were you?

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    Vista Guest

    Especially as iHug are now looking at exiting NZ, after promising to invest
    millions into NZ network if it became unbundled. IHUg don't care about their
    customers, they only care about how much money they will get for ihug when
    they sell it.
     
    Vista, Sep 26, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    Whatever is best for the consumer.

    No one is grizzling because SKY TV has Pay TV all to themselves.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    iinet might get even less for ihug soon, but iinet has got what it's been
    after from ihug already. All of ihug's Australian customers. ihug NZ is
    just unwanted garbage as far as iinet is concerned.

    There'll be a book one day - The Rise And Fall Of ihug.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    Vista Guest

    Except their customers who say that they are paying too much, and for
    channels that they don't want. I quit my sky connection because it wasn't
    worth it. Far cheaper just to rent DVDs.
     
    Vista, Sep 26, 2006
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  11. Who decides?
     
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Sep 26, 2006
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    GraB Guest

    Story on Teletext says Commerce Commision have confirmed they are
    looking at the latest plans after receiving complaints.
     
    GraB, Sep 26, 2006
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    Crash Guest

    Jeeze Scroogie I thought you had as few more clues that this.

    Apart from where TC have their own cable, access to faster-than-dialup internet
    is through Telecom. At present we have a choice of ISP providers because
    Telecom in the past have chosen to make what amounts to 'last mile' ADSL
    services available to non-telecom ISPs at a rate that allows them to compete
    profitably with Xtra (Telecom's ISP service). Until unbundling is fully
    implemented, other ISPs are dependent on being able to compete with Xtra while
    paying Telecom to connect their ADSL customers.

    So ISPs cannot compete with Xtra with the new plans - not because Xtra are
    ultra-competitive but because the last-mile Telecom charges for ADSL connections
    does not allow ISPs to operate profitably while matching Xtras pricing. So
    either Xtra pricing is too low (Telecom subsidising Xtra) or Telecom pricing to
    Xtra is way lower than for external ISPs (typical monopolistic practice).

    Now when you can only get full-speed ADSL through Xtra just how long do you
    think the existing pricing will last?

    In case you cant see where this is headed, if Foodstuffs undercut all their
    rivals and put them out of business, when the last non-Foodstuffs supermarket
    closes its doors what would you expect to happen to the goods they have to sell
    (given that without competition they can charge what they like)? Why would
    Telecom/Xtra act any differently?

    This is the situation if I understand things correctly.

    Where do you get the impression that everyone is happy with Sky TV?

    Crash.
     
    Crash, Sep 26, 2006
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    Vista Guest

    Probably from their competitiors.
     
    Vista, Sep 26, 2006
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    John B Guest

    Of course they are. If someone is willing to buy something they
    are a customer.
    Nope. Customers. They have a product [asset]to sell if they sell
    it to their competitors, then those competitors are NOT
    competitors, they are customers.
    Not the customers of the service the asset or business provides,
    (or the renters' of the houses you buy and sell). But the
    customers who are purchasing the asset.
    As you would your house, right? It has nothing to do with the
    customers of the business, (or the renters' of your house).
    They can change their mind. Just as you can. Nothing wrong with
    that at all.
    Don't blame them with Noddy's like you infesting the country.
     
    John B, Sep 26, 2006
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    steve Guest

    You have a lot of catching up to do.
     
    steve, Sep 26, 2006
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    Sue Bilstein Guest

    Yeah, reeducation camp for you, Scrooge. You have to understand that
    when xtra broadband is too expensive, that means Telecom should be
    nationalised, and when xtra broadband is too cheap, that means Telecom
    should be nationalised.
     
    Sue Bilstein, Sep 26, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    The consumer of course.

    That's why more people shop at dairies instead of supermarkets, and why more
    people buy BMWs instead of Toyotas.

    People enjoy paying more than they need to for things.

    How much is boardband overseas?
    Are people in the US restricted to as much data as 200MB a month for $20
    (US)?

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    E. Scrooge Guest

    Thousands of people use SKY TV, if they weren't happy they wouldn't be using
    it.

    AOL most likely have good value plans. No reason why NZ shouldn't have as
    well.

    E. Scrooge
     
    E. Scrooge, Sep 26, 2006
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    Chris Lim Guest

    Surely the complaint is about Telecom's wholesale rates to Xtra versus
    other ISP's, rather than Xtra's retail packages. But hasn't this
    already been dealt with before? Have Telecom found a loophole that they
    are now exploiting? Or, God forbid, are Xtra just offering a better
    deal and making less profit in order to win back customers? (I know,
    I'm so naive...)
     
    Chris Lim, Sep 26, 2006
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