New Leica T. Is this build-quality counter-productive in this dayand age?

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by RichA, May 3, 2014.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Leica's are built beautifully, comparing them to even a top Nikon is like comparing a Rolex to a Seiko watch. This kind of build quality would have been a great benefit when people kept cameras for 10 years, in the SLR days,but does it make sense now or just expensive?

    http://www.dpreview.com/products/leica/slrs/leica_t701
     
    RichA, May 3, 2014
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    Mort Guest

    Ah, but a Seiko watch keeps more accurate time than a Rolex, and indeed
    costs less as well.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, May 4, 2014
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Depending on the Seiko and the Rolex. A Seiko quartz will keep better
    time than any mechanical Rolex but whether their standard line will beat
    a chronometer-certified Oysterquartz is questionable. Of course the
    Oysterquartz was discontinued when the Swiss tightened up the standards
    for quartz chronometers in 2001 and Seiko does have a high-end line that
    is intended to outperform Swiss chronometers, so a Grand Seiko Quartz
    should beat any Rolex but Grand Seikos aren't cheap.
     
    J. Clarke, May 4, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    My Rolex keeps good enough time...when it's running. The problem is I
    take it off when I do yard work or something, don't put it back on for
    a day or two, and it's stopped running. It's self-winding, but
    doesn't self-wind when not worn.

    No big deal, though. If I set it a few minutes off, it doesn't affect
    my day. I can't think of anything I do where a few minutes off in
    time makes a difference.
     
    Tony Cooper, May 4, 2014
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    RichA Guest

    That's only because Seiko, and even TIMEX, has jumped on the "wind it" watch band-wagon and released watches with prices they never have in the past.
     
    RichA, May 4, 2014
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  6. Actually Seiko never stopped producing excellent quality mechanical
    timepieces. The Spring Drive Sonnerie was about $30,000 when you could
    get it. 88 jewel movement:
     
    Oregonian Haruspex, May 8, 2014
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  7. There are electric auto-winders that rotate and keep your watch wound
    if you want them. I feel like this has become alt.horology!
     
    Oregonian Haruspex, May 8, 2014
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  8. 10 to 1 it's a Panasonic with a Leica-designed lens. Build quality is
    probably really good and it's good to see more compact cameras with big
    sensors..
     
    Oregonian Haruspex, May 8, 2014
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    philo  Guest



    Of course a Seiko watch keeps time just as well as a Rolex.


    Some people might be impressed with a Rolex or a Leica

    but when I see people waste money I kind of think they are dumb...even
    if they are quite wealthy.
     
    philo , May 8, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    If it makes them feel better, and they won't starve, I see no harm.
     
    PeterN, May 8, 2014
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  11. A Rolex watch or even a Seiko may look beautiful inside but it's really
    an anachronism. My solar powered Casio, synchronized daily with Fort
    Collins, keeps better time. I'm also not fond of beautiful watches that
    are unreadable quickly and have unnecessary displays like the phases of
    the moon. Why on earth would anyone want to have that information? Louis
    Sullivan said "Form follows function" and a watch that does not obey
    that is perverse, in my opinion.
     
    James Silverton, May 8, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    I don't own one either. I rarely wear a watch, but if anyone wants to
    wear one, I'm kewl with that.
     
    PeterN, May 8, 2014
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    Guest Guest

    any cdma based cellular tower will suffice, since it requires
    microsecond accuracy for it to function.
     
    Guest, May 9, 2014
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  15. The whole of the EU, Japan and the US and most of Canada is a fair
    proportion of the world in the market for a watch. A transmitter
    somewhere in Brazil or Argentina is missing.
     
    James Silverton, May 10, 2014
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    Sandman Guest

    Don't care about watches, but Leica's are expensive for a reason. Are they
    a bit over the top expensive? Well, maybe, but their lens range is just
    about the best you can find in the world outside of high end medium format
    lenses.
     
    Sandman, May 11, 2014
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : Leica's are built beautifully, comparing them to even a top Nikon is like
    : comparing a Rolex to a Seiko watch.

    I'm not sure that analogy enhances your point. My Seiko runs just fine and
    keeps nearly perfect time. I can't remember when I bought it; but I believe my
    son was still in college, and he's now 46 years old.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, May 25, 2014
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    Sandman Guest

    In that case, the analogy works just fine. A Nikon camera, like a Seiko
    watch, runs just fine and takes nearly perfect photos, but quality-wise,
    it's no Leica, nor is the Seiko a Rolex.

    While some may argue (for days and weeks) that a Leica takes better photos
    than a Nikon, the thing that differs is just build quality, the elegance
    that is a Leica. The same much would describe a really high end watch as
    well.

    (Of course, there are some really REALLY nice lenses available for a Leica,
    which helps take great pictures).
     
    Sandman, May 26, 2014
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    Whisky-dave Guest

    I've never thopught of Rolex as being a top watch anyway well not as a time piece in it's own right.
    Yes it's expensive with gold and diamonds but as far as watch movements go I don;t think they are better timekeepers than other more reasonabley priced watches. I'd prefer a Harrison H4 to a rolex anyday, unless I was looking for bling.


    I don't even wear a watch any more.
     
    Whisky-dave, May 27, 2014
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On Sunday, 25 May 2014 23:35:13 UTC+1, Robert Coe wrote:
    : >
    : > : Leica's are built beautifully, comparing them to even a top Nikon is like
    : >
    : > : comparing a Rolex to a Seiko watch.
    : >
    : >
    : >
    : > I'm not sure that analogy enhances your point.
    :
    : I've never thopught of Rolex as being a top watch anyway well not as a time piece in it's own right.
    : Yes it's expensive with gold and diamonds but as far as watch movements go I don;t think they are better timekeepers than other more reasonabley priced watches. I'd prefer a Harrison H4 to a rolex anyday, unless I was looking for bling.
    :
    :
    : >My Seiko runs just fine and
    : > keeps nearly perfect time. I can't remember when I bought it; but I believe my
    : > son was still in college, and he's now 46 years old.
    : >
    : >
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    :
    : I don't even wear a watch any more.

    I carry two cell phones, but a wristwatch is more convenient.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jun 9, 2014
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