Mozilla News Group Reader SUCKS ASS!

Discussion in 'Firefox' started by Pissed At Firefox, Sep 28, 2004.

  1. Damn that Mozilla newsreader sucks! I mean, it really, really SUCKS.

    Other than a few gripes, Firefox is good work. Mozilla browser is decent,
    too. But that news reader SUCKS.

    Do you want to know why it sucks? It SUCKS because it is just like OUTLOOK
    EXPRESS! Outlook Express SUCKS. So anything like Outlook Express is going
    to suck, too.

    You want to know a good news reader to pattern a news reader on? XNEWS.
    Xnews is so simple to use a small child could do it. And it has NO HTML
    SUPPORT! HTML in newsgroups serves no point other than to enable
    distribution of worms via security holes and to ping a webserver to notify
    it that you read a particular news group message.

    Do we really need people to know which newsgroup messages we read? Of
    course not. That's why Outlook Express sucks. HTML does not belong in
    newsgroups!
     
    Pissed At Firefox, Sep 28, 2004
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  2. Pissed At Firefox

    scratch Guest

    In what ways is it just like Outlook Express?
    HTML support is only there because it's there for email and the same
    interface is used for email and newsgroups. HTML support is very simple
    to turn off.
    Outlook Express sucks for a lot of other reasons, too.

    -scratch
     
    scratch, Sep 28, 2004
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  3. Pissed At Firefox

    Tom Accuosti Guest

    In Pissed At Firefox <> informed us:
    | Damn that Mozilla newsreader sucks! I mean, it really, really SUCKS.
    |
    | Other than a few gripes, Firefox is good work. Mozilla browser is
    | decent, too. But that news reader SUCKS.
    |
    | Do you want to know why it sucks? It SUCKS because it is just like
    | OUTLOOK EXPRESS! Outlook Express SUCKS. So anything like Outlook
    | Express is going to suck, too.
    |
    | You want to know a good news reader to pattern a news reader on?
    | XNEWS. Xnews is so simple to use a small child could do it. And it
    | has NO HTML SUPPORT! HTML in newsgroups serves no point other than
    | to enable distribution of worms via security holes and to ping a
    | webserver to notify it that you read a particular news group message.
    |
    | Do we really need people to know which newsgroup messages we read? Of
    | course not. That's why Outlook Express sucks. HTML does not belong
    | in newsgroups!

    Don't hold back, dude; tell us how you really feel.

    FWIW, I dont' think that TB is just like OE. Oh, it's set up to look
    something like it with the message panes and stuff, but actually it's
    got some nice features (via the extensions) that make it nicer to use.

    There are, however, some features in OE that I like better for the
    newsreader. For example, I like the ability to delete specific posts,
    and to filter certain posters without killing the whole thread. Also,
    selecting specific message for d/loading and reading offline is a little
    easier with OE, although that could be because I've been using it for
    years.

    But that said, the mail client is much nicer and you can't beat the ways
    one can customize it all. Perhaps you might consider going back to
    XNews, though, if you're going to get yourself all worked up over it.
     
    Tom Accuosti, Sep 28, 2004
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  4. Pissed At Firefox

    --BRIAN-- Guest

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Don't use it then. Isn't freedom of choice great?
    If it's Thunderbird you hate so much, why are you posting under the name
    "Pissed At Firefox"? Are you too stupid to figure out which program you
    dislike? You clearly stated "Firefox is good work." So which is it?
    You're pissed at it, you like it, or you're just too stupid to know?
    Hmm... "just like Outlook Express". LOL. An opinion from someone using
    a "child friendly" news reader.
    Bwahahahaha... you are a loony troll. Are you smart enough to live?
    You're clearly not smart when it comes to Mozilla handling HTML messages.

    A child could use Xnews huh? Seems fitting for you then.
    We really don't need morons running around Usenet trolling either. But
    you're not blocked from access the Net.

    Another one of your trollish opinions. HTML isn't against the law. You
    don't like it? Then turn it off. Doesn't your world's greatest reader
    block it? Mozilla will display anything in plain-text. So what's your
    problem? Oh, you need something to troll on about.

    Oh... thanks for the laugh. Always funny reading a f'ing troll.

    Bye.
     
    --BRIAN--, Sep 29, 2004
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  5. As we can see! ;-)

    I'd rather the children not read Usenet personally!
    Well that sucks! :)
    Oh horrors. You mean that somebody might be notified that their
    newsgroup message was read! Geeze what a security breach. Actually I
    know of no posting that has ever done this (though there probably are a
    handful). Listen, if you do not wish to use HTML then simply don't use it.
    Now tell us how you really feel (and why you felt it necessary to drudge
    up this often debated topic)?
     
    Andrew DeFaria, Sep 29, 2004
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  6. You can do that in TB.
    Never really used the off line stuff because I'm always online!
     
    Andrew DeFaria, Sep 29, 2004
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  7. Pissed At Firefox

    Tom Accuosti Guest

    In Andrew DeFaria <> informed us:
    | Tom Accuosti wrote:
    |
    || There are, however, some features in OE that I like better for the
    || newsreader. For example, I like the ability to delete specific posts,
    || and to filter certain posters without killing the whole thread.
    |
    | You can do that in TB.

    I'm just starting to figure out how some of this stuff works. I hate
    asking questions until I get stuck, so I've been playing with it a
    little each day.

    I've also noticed that there seme to be little, but distinct differences
    between Mozz and TB. Not sure which one I like better, yet.

    |
    || Also, selecting specific message for d/loading and reading offline is
    || a little easier with OE, although that could be because I've been
    || using it for years.
    |
    | Never really used the off line stuff because I'm always online!

    I'm out in a very slow dial-up area at work. I'm pretty sure that the
    liines were installed by Samuel Morse, but I can't prove it. <g>. I
    find it easier to d/load headers and then mark the headers that I'd like
    to read, instead of d/loading the entire group, or else I'm tying up a
    phone line at work for far too long. They keep promising DSL out here
    "real soon now", but until then I'm doing things the old fashioned way.
     
    Tom Accuosti, Sep 29, 2004
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  8. Pissed At Firefox

    not Guest

    Your pissedness at Firefox is ignorant. Firefox has nothing to
    do with Thunderbird or Mozilla newsreader.

    Then why dont you just STFU and continue using Xnews?
    That's what I did.
     
    not, Sep 29, 2004
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    Doug Kanter Guest

    Actually, the process of keeping track of "watched threads" is EASIER and
    MORE LOGICAL with OE. However, I'm saying this based on experience with NS
    7.1, 7.2, and whatever Moz version was current about 6 months ago.
     
    Doug Kanter, Sep 29, 2004
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  10. Well, while I have a lot of browsers on my machine , the one
    I use the most is (NS7.1 windows) and the mail/news that goes with it.

    The settings can be a bit hard to locate , but there are enough
    to make it so that I never see HTML in newsgroups, nor images.
    I also sort mail by the headers like "content-type:text/html"
    to speed their journey into the round file.
    There are also many settings for the overall layout of the
    news/mail reader, but again they can be hard to find.

    There are things that really bug me , like having to press "F6"
    to move from pane to pane , instead of having some additional means
    like an arrow key mode for getting arround those panes. I whish it was
    in general more keyboard friendly

    I also whish the (move message to folder ) had an option that allowed me
    to create a filter at the time I was moving the message.

    Over the years , there have been without doubt more security flaws
    in IE then with NS. How often have you heard of NS getting cracked
    vs. IE?

    I expect that possibly one reason NS might appear similar to IE
    might be to give IE users something familar to work with when trying out
    NS. There was a lot of Microsoft hard ball used to push NS and Sun Micro
    off the desktop , so Microsft has more installed users.
    (shit it's crammed down your throat with the OS installation)
    NS has to compromise, balancing the act of being familar to potential
    IE converts to NS with making cool features.

    If one is making just a newsreader by itself , one can better afford to
    ignore the establishment entirely because typically the establishment
    don't use custom news readers.

    Those architecting these products have a real balancing act ,
    but there are places like keyboard navigation where IE is hardly even
    paying attention which could really open up some markets in
    software automation and accessibility,as well as other venues.

    --
    --=<> Dr. Clue (A.K.A. Ian A. Storms) <>=--
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net
    --=<[]>=- C++ JScript D/HTML CGI TCP/IP SQL VRML NSAPI MSAA
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net/F1.cgi/HTML/HTML.html (My HTML/CGI guide)
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net/beta (My XDHTML library)
     
    Dr. Clue (A.K.A Ian Storms), Sep 29, 2004
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  11. Well, while I have a lot of browsers on my machine , the one
    I use the most is (NS7.1 windows) and the mail/news that goes with it.

    The settings can be a bit hard to locate , but there are enough
    to make it so that I never see HTML in newsgroups, nor images.
    I also sort mail by the headers like "content-type:text/html"
    to speed their journey into the round file.
    There are also many settings for the overall layout of the
    news/mail reader, but again they can be hard to find.

    There are things that really bug me , like having to press "F6"
    to move from pane to pane , instead of having some additional means
    like an arrow key mode for getting arround those panes. I whish it was
    in general more keyboard friendly

    I also whish the (move message to folder ) had an option that allowed me
    to create a filter at the time I was moving the message.

    Over the years , there have been without doubt more security flaws
    in IE then with NS. How often have you heard of NS getting cracked
    vs. IE?

    I expect that possibly one reason NS might appear similar to IE
    might be to give IE users something familar to work with when trying out
    NS. There was a lot of Microsoft hard ball used to push NS and Sun Micro
    off the desktop , so Microsft has more installed users.
    (shit it's crammed down your throat with the OS installation)
    NS has to compromise, balancing the act of being familar to potential
    IE converts to NS with making cool features.

    If one is making just a newsreader by itself , one can better afford to
    ignore the establishment entirely because typically the establishment
    don't use custom news readers.

    Those architecting these products have a real balancing act ,
    but there are places like keyboard navigation where IE is hardly even
    paying attention which could really open up some markets in
    software automation and accessibility,as well as other venues.

    --
    --=<> Dr. Clue (A.K.A. Ian A. Storms) <>=--
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net
    --=<[]>=- C++ JScript D/HTML CGI TCP/IP SQL VRML NSAPI MSAA
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net/F1.cgi/HTML/HTML.html (My HTML/CGI guide)
    --=<[]>=- http://www.drclue.net/beta (My XDHTML library)
     
    Dr. Clue (A.K.A Ian Storms), Sep 29, 2004
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  12. How old are you?

    Serously, I'm curious to know.

    Cheers

    Scott
    (25 from England if you're interested!)
     
    Scott McCarthy, Sep 29, 2004
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  13. Pissed At Firefox

    Peter Lairo Guest

    TROLL ALERT
    No, O & OE look like Netscape 1-4, and Thunderbird looks like Netscape.

    I feel like i'm talking to a child throwing a tantrum or a moron.
    So people and newsgroups prefer HTML. We shouldn't take that away from
    them. The default setting for newsgroups in Thunderbird is TEXT.
    yada yada...

    --
    Peter Lairo

    This is a *developer* newsgroup. For end-user discussion and peer
    support please go to:
    s(make
    sure "SSL" is enabled)
    Posting Rulz: http://www.mozilla.org/community-etiquette.html#conventions
    Mozilla FAQ: http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
     
    Peter Lairo, Sep 30, 2004
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    Peter Lairo Guest

    You can delete you awn posts by pressing the DEL key. You can hide
    threads by pressing "k" (killfile).
    Yeah, that would be nice for situations where a TROLL jumps into a
    useful thread and you just want to ignore that "sub-tread". Not
    implemented yet, but there is a bug report on this:

    Ignore (kill) a Branch of a Thread (not just the whole thread) (Troll)
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11054
    Either right-ckick -> save as, or use the "offline extension".
    LOL :D

    --
    Peter Lairo

    This is a *developer* newsgroup. For end-user discussion and peer
    support please go to:
    s(make
    sure "SSL" is enabled)
    Posting Rulz: http://www.mozilla.org/community-etiquette.html#conventions
    Mozilla FAQ: http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
     
    Peter Lairo, Sep 30, 2004
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    Peter Lairo Guest

    Peter Lairo on 30.09.2004 11:47 wrote:

    spelling (so -> some):
    --
    Peter Lairo

    This is a *developer* newsgroup. For end-user discussion and peer
    support please go to:
    s(make
    sure "SSL" is enabled)
    Posting Rulz: http://www.mozilla.org/community-etiquette.html#conventions
    Mozilla FAQ: http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/

    -==-
    Kooks abound on the Internet. But if you ignore them, or advise other
    people on the mailing list to ignore them in the interest of decreasing
    mailing list traffic, then they accuse you of being "censors" who are
    "afraid of dissenting opinions" or some such drivel. (Of course, you're
    not actually censoring them in any way, but to a kook or a troll, not
    replying is equivalent to censorship---after all, they have a
    constitutional right to a rapt, responsive audience, right?)
    -==-
     
    Peter Lairo, Sep 30, 2004
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    EDgAr H. Guest


    I my own opinion Forte Agent is the best news reader (On a PC).
     
    EDgAr H., Sep 30, 2004
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  17. I believe the default for newsgroups for Mozilla the Suite is HTML

    {SNIP}

    Andreas
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    Andreas, The Grande Panjandrum, Sep 30, 2004
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    .brian. Guest

    I just recently started using the suite again. I started with 1.7.3,
    then 1.8a3, and a4. Each time I install it, the default for composing a
    newsgroup message is plain-text.
     
    .brian., Sep 30, 2004
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  19. Just tested a new profile, .brian is quite correct.

    Lee
     
    Leonidas Jones, Sep 30, 2004
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  20. Then I stand corrected on that. Thanks

    Andreas
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    Andreas, The Grande Panjandrum, Sep 30, 2004
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