Medium format KILLS top DSLRs in this test

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by RichA, Feb 18, 2010.

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    RichA Guest

    RichA, Feb 18, 2010
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    Chris H Guest

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    Wow! A 40MP camera costing over twice the amount of a 24MP camera is
    better. Who would have thought that!!!!!

    It would have been better to compare the D3x with a 24-30MP MF camera.

    The point is that the 24MP DSLR's are nibbling at the bottom end of the
    MF market. For many it is a better entry point than an MF camera.
     
    Chris H, Feb 18, 2010
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Rich is an idiot who thinks that image quality is the ONLY
    consideration. Except, of course, when it comes to his own wallet.
    And it's kind of hard to do sports photography at less than one frame
    per second.
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 18, 2010
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    John A. Guest

    No video either, I'm guessing.
     
    John A., Feb 18, 2010
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    Rich Guest

    High quality landscape work, studio product shots, the medium format
    clobbers the FX.
     
    Rich, Feb 18, 2010
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    Mark Sieving Guest

    Just as medium format film was superior to 35 mm film for those
    applications. It's hardly a surprise. You have to balance those
    advantages against the lower cost and greater convenience of the
    smaller formats.
     
    Mark Sieving, Feb 18, 2010
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    Bruce Guest


    Medium format also suffers from a poor selection of wide angle lenses,
    not helped by the sensors being smaller than medium format film.

    There is also the restricted depth of field compared with "35mm"
    digital, the lack of lenses with maximum apertures wider than f/2.8
    and the lack of any IS/VR anti-shake feature. The latter two combine
    to make a tripod a necessity for a greater proportion of work than
    with "35mm" digital.
     
    Bruce, Feb 18, 2010
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    Better Info Guest

    So do P&S cameras. Rivaling the images from MF Hasselblads. Even without
    having to be securely mounted on a tripod, forced to use mirror-lockup and
    making the viewfinder worthless to follow any action shots, nor having to
    use a cable-release and self-timer release; as was used on the Hasselblad
    in this Hasselblad vs. P&S camera test.

    <http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/kidding.shtml>
     
    Better Info, Feb 19, 2010
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    RichA Guest

    The best film images 35mm that I've seen just about match an 8
    megapixel APS sensor, and old one. New 10-12M APS sensors are FAR
    better in just about every aspect, not the least of which is
    resolution.
     
    RichA, Feb 19, 2010
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    Bruce Guest


    If you tell yourself that 100 times, you might just begin to believe
    it. Unfortunately, even if you tell yourself that 1000 times, it
    still won't be true.
     
    Bruce, Feb 19, 2010
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    Chris H Guest

    That's not what I have been told by a friend who does digital imaging.
    (His other cameras are a Satellite and a UAV....). Also a past
    President of the Royal Photographic society said the same to me
    recently.

    At the 35mm level the modern DSLR at the 12MP upwards range will
    outperform 35mm film in all but a very few highly specialised situations
    under perfect conditions. Even where the DSLR will not outperform the
    35mm film under perfect conditions it is very close, so close that it is
    not worth using anything other than digital.

    On the other hand there are many specialised situations where film is
    not possible. So digital has eclipsed 35mm film. The "battle" is over.
    I think the use of 35mm film has declined something like 95% over the
    last decade. More so as a percentage of the market as more people are
    taking digital pictures than took film snaps. SO the [digital]
    photography market has expanded exponentially whilst the film market has
    contracted at the same rate.

    Photography is about 180 years old and 35mm Film was just a passing
    phase. Just as it was for glass plates and the Deguerrotypes the 35mm
    film will disappear to be a foot note in history. Some will still cling
    on to them, I know a chap who still uses 8*10 field cameras.
     
    Chris H, Feb 19, 2010
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    RichA Guest

    Sorry! I mistook the Mamiya 7 for a Minolta 7 35mm. The day before I
    watched a guy trying to beat down a store on the price of one of these
    (apparently, they are somewhat collectable) and it stuck in my mind.
    I wholly agree about the medium format versus the FF sensor.
     
    RichA, Feb 19, 2010
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    RichA Guest

    One of the tired, stupid arguments the film buffs use to prove film's
    superiority is that a scanned 35mm fill frame will produce a huge file
    relative to a digital sensor, therefore the film frame "must" have
    much more detail in it. This argument is used often and it is
    complete B.S. Scanners record the grain of the film and that produces
    the huge files. Proving this is easy, all you have to do is scan a
    high ISO grainy film image and that file will be FAR larger than a
    fine-grain image. Net result is, no normal film (400 chromagenic B&W
    and 100 ISO colour neg being the most detailed right now) at 35mm can
    come close to a 10-12 megapixel sensor for recording detail and I DEFY
    anyone to produce a PROVABLE test to show otherwise.
     
    RichA, Feb 19, 2010
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    Bruce Guest


    If you tell yourself that 100 times, you might just begin to believe
    it.  Unfortunately, even if you tell yourself that 1000 times, it
    still won't be true.

    998 left, and it *still* won't be true.
     
    Bruce, Feb 19, 2010
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    ColinD Guest

    Ok, so take Rich up on his dare. DEFY him, and produce a PROVABLE test
    to show us.

    I suggest you use 400 ISO film and scan it at 5000 ppi, get yourself a
    humongous image file and show us the superb, infinite detail you have
    revealed. OH, and show it alongside the same subject shot on any
    digital camera from 8 MP up.

    Otherwise, STFU.

    Colin D.
     
    ColinD, Feb 19, 2010
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Bullshit. Medium-format cameras are specialized cameras with limited
    uses.
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 21, 2010
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    Ray Fischer Guest

    Go away, idiot. Try again when you have something other than your
    screeching hate to contribute.
     
    Ray Fischer, Feb 22, 2010
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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 22, 2010
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    And shove it up your arse.

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    Grimly Curmudgeon, Feb 22, 2010
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