Which track is better in real world, MCSE or MCSA ? Thanks
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You have to be an MCSA before you can be an MCSE. That should answer your question. ITPro_DLM MCSE 2000
You're both wrong, You can be an MCSE without MCSA... and you can be an MCSA without MCSE. It kinda sucks that they laid the track out like they did because they are two separate certifications, MCSA isn't a 'stepping stone' to MCSE. One is for administration, one is for design.
You can be an MCSE without MCSA... and you can be an MCSA without MCSE. I agree and I think we said the similar things in different ways (>>You can become an MCSE before taking the 218 exam to become an MCSA.) We'll have to agree to disagree. -- Regards Japes Have you found any Celestine Insights in your life yet?
However if starting on the MCSE track it makes If your ultimate goal is design perhaps. Not everyone may want to do design work.
Then you wouldn't be on the MCSE track but the MCSA track......or have I missed your point. -- Regards Japes Have you found any Celestine Insights in your life yet?
You *DO NOT* have to be an MCSA to become an MCSE. As for which track is better depends on what you want to do. They serve two different purposes.
Really?? Cool... My bad. I took 210, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219 & 220 to achieve MCSA/MCSE 2000. I thought that was a good route to go and fairly easy. ITPro_DLM
The two certifications are suppose to represent job roles. In reality they express more of a ranking system. It is true that MCSE has more requirement than MCSA, but those additional requirements end up covering the same material in the MCSA-unique exams (and more, yes). So the only way this can parallel job roles is in depth of responsibility. Thing is MCSE is becoming more of a basic skill level, whereas MCSA is viewed with a negative stigma--perhaps managers figure you only do things to a mediocre level. Yes, the MCSE is becoming more of an entry-level certification. Not because it's become easier, but that the workplace is becoming more demanding. MCSE measures skills I require of 2nd tier help desk or day-to-day administrators. As for design engineers I expect them to have most MCSE skills in their core skills; however they need about double the amount of talent and in different areas. There simply is no certification that measures skills needed for these tasks. Personally I like Cisco's model in that there are CCNA/CCNP folks as well as CCDA/CCDP folks (and some with both). These "job role" certifications show proficiency in different tasks. Further Cisco offers a premium certification, CCIE, that requires lab demonstration. [I do like how Microsoft took a stab at this in the MOUS exams--maybe task oriented tests will grow.] Bottom line is if you want to impress anyone, get your MCSE. If you want to impress experienced folks (like most hiring managers) do more than the minimum--Perhaps take *all* of the design exams. If your (potential) employer has developers in-house learn the basics and maybe take an exam there too. Don't look at MCSE as the ultimate goal, but as your first step. If this seems overwhelming, maybe this isn't the right business for you.
