MCSE Equal No Job

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by MJ Lewis, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. MJ Lewis

    Consultant Guest

    sorry, but, HA HA, that was funny
     
    Consultant, Jan 18, 2005
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  2. MJ Lewis

    Neil Guest

    did you hear "Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\)" <Stephen Charles Rea (MCT)
    @discussions.microsoft.com> say in @TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
    I always am...
     
    Neil, Jan 18, 2005
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  3. MJ Lewis

    Neil Guest

    ok, point taken...
     
    Neil, Jan 18, 2005
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  4. MJ Lewis

    ME Guest

    At this time, don't waste your $$$ to chase the certs. Change is 1/200 to
    get the interview. Why do people put $$$ for a career that not even 1/10
    can get the job. Sale people must have done good job to get people sign up
    for the classes. Sorry Mr. MCT. I know you need students but if I have a
    friend I will tell him to hold the classes.
     
    ME, Jan 19, 2005
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  5. Sale people must have done good job to get people sign up
    What the h*ll dose this have to mct's?

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 19, 2005
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  6. MJ Lewis

    ME Guest

    what MCT do when no people sign up for classes? Go to India?
     
    ME, Jan 19, 2005
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  7. Let's don't be silly.

    India has no class.
     
    =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE?=, Jan 19, 2005
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  8. MJ Lewis

    JaR Guest

    In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, FrisbeeĀ® climbed on a soapbox & opined:
    That statement is Untouchable.
     
    JaR, Jan 19, 2005
    #28
  9. MJ Lewis

    Ken Briscoe Guest

    In
    Dude that was so fukcing weak.
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    Ken Briscoe, Jan 19, 2005
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  10. MJ Lewis

    JaR Guest

    In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Ken Briscoe climbed on a soapbox &
    opined:
    I know. Must learn to resist...
     
    JaR, Jan 19, 2005
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  11. MJ Lewis

    ME Guest

    I think India is the hub now, for everything. Last week I call a # posted
    on web site of a company making shower door for help with a leaking shower
    door. An Indian on the phone tortured me for few minutes with his English
    then gave me an 800 number in Canada. Next things would be 411 and 911
    outsourced too.
     
    ME, Jan 19, 2005
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  12. tell him to hold the classes.

    Apology not needed. I wouldn't want someone with that attitude in my
    classroom anyway. I'm glad you have a friend that tolerates this kind of
    stupidity. That's someone you might want to hold on to. He/she might help
    pick you up when you realize the real world looks at you and thinks your a
    moron.

    I don't need students. I want students. There is a difference. I can stop
    doing the MCT thing anytime and take one of countless job offers I get (2 or
    3) on a weekly basis. As it is I still consult on the side some. I became
    and MCT because I enjoy what I do. I like to teach and it's not so I can
    prove I know this stuff or not, I actually enjoy helping others learn. (NOT
    CHEAT) So take your friends class with your obvious lack of class and have
    fun. Now bugger off, your bothering me.
    --
    "The Rev"
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/second
    ..
     
    Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\), Jan 19, 2005
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  13. MJ Lewis

    Doom Guest

    <snippage>

    Now bugger off, your bothering me.
    Can I get an Amen. Preach on Brother.
     
    Doom, Jan 19, 2005
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  14. MJ Lewis

    ME Guest

    compared to 2, 3 offers you have each week, how many has the OP have? how
    many managers hire brand new
    mcse? you are different with years of experiences. i agreed everyone
    shouldn't give up the goal(s) but, the truth is the OP can't get the job.
    do something else. you got to pay bills. come back later when the demand's
    up.

    get real. let's not talk about mcse or mct. would you spend $3,500 to
    learn something that you have almost no chance to get a job?

    i will bug off. this' gone too far.


    "Stephen Charles Rea (MCT)" <Stephen Charles Rea
    (MCT)@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
     
    ME, Jan 19, 2005
    #34
  15. in-line
    --
    "The Rev"
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/second
    ..
    The only thing that makes me different is the fact I didn't go for the MCSE
    untill long after being in the field.
    I hate to tell you demand is high for technology. (Proof of that is my
    inbox/voicemail each week as head hunters email me or call me every other
    day) The problem is too many people with little experience combined with the
    fact that people that get certified assume they are worth more than they are
    up front. New MCSE can get a job, just have to look. If its what you want
    you can get it. You wont be an Admin right away. But I can tell you this no
    matter how high the demand you never will be without prior experience.
    Yes I would if I really wanted to get into that field.
    It only went as far as you took it
     
    Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\), Jan 19, 2005
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  16. MJ Lewis

    Neil Guest

    I fot a really good paying job and take training gigs as they come up. But
    I do know of some MCTs that do travel for the work.
     
    Neil, Jan 20, 2005
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  17. MJ Lewis

    oldti994a Guest

    Very simple. Too many people are going to bootcamps and
    braindumping and getting their MCSE's and they have zero
    real world experience. I can pick those people out in a
    job interview in about 2 minutes flat. I am not the only
    one. Several of my other friends are also I.T.
    managers. They are onto the whole MCSE bootcamp thing.
    They don't get impressed by the MCSE title anymore.
    Bottom line. The I.T. industry is dying. Too much
    outsourcing, etc. Everyone thinks that computers are
    still the place to be. It is not. There are tons of
    MCSE's out of work that have 10 times more work
    experience than half of these new MCSE's that are coming
    out of the bootcamps. I supervise a large I.T.
    department. If I post a job tomorrow in the paper or
    through a placement agency, I will have 300 resume's
    within the week. Half of them will be MCSE's that are
    out of work.
    Some of them will be MCSE's out of bootcamps and tech
    schools. I will immediately throw away the "just add
    water" MCSE's and start looking at the work experience of
    the remaining for the best match.

    Yes, I am an MCSE. Yes, I pretty much think they are
    worthless anymore. Too many people have them. I just
    saw a friend of mine Bootcamp and BrainDump his way right
    through the test series in about 6 months. He still
    doesn't know anything. He still can't find a job.

    Another friend of mine got his AIX certification. He was
    offered a job in about a week. Unix certs and oterhs are
    the hot ticket.
     
    oldti994a, Jan 20, 2005
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  18. MJ Lewis

    JaR Guest

    In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, climbed on a
    soapbox & opined:
    LOL! Uncle Bill is gonna put out a contract on you for talking like that.

    Absolutely the truth, however. I have a bud that's the service manager at
    $BigBox computer store. He advertised for a part-time, entry-level tech a
    while back. Put the ad in the paper on a tuesday, and by friday he had
    hundreds of resumes, more than half of which were MCSEs.
     
    JaR, Jan 20, 2005
    #38
  19. Put the ad in the paper on a tuesday, and by friday he had
    think himself lucky that all the applications were not from mcse's!!!

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 20, 2005
    #39
  20. I hate to tell you demand is high for technology. (Proof of that is my
    Absolutely true.
    And in the process this influx has completely undermined the worth of
    any ms certs.
    Well, I don't see too many openings for any junior IT roles, even new
    grads are finding real tough out there.
    As it always has been, no change here.
    ... better still, you can get the state to pay! Many do that already,
    whether it's fair on the tax payer is a different story.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 20, 2005
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