MCSE Equal No Job

Discussion in 'MCSE' started by MJ Lewis, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. MJ Lewis

    MJ Lewis Guest

    It's been almost 6 months since I completed the boot camp
    and gained my MCSE title. Since then I've sent almost a
    hundred letters to just about every firm in the state and
    beyond and I've got *ZERO* interviews, I fact I've only had
    2 (yes **TWO**) replies back.

    What's going on here? If I knew a job in computers was so
    hard to get, I'd have kept my 3500 bucks and carried on
    working at the mill. At the boot camp they said I'd have no
    problem getting a job once I'd got my MCSE through them,
    yeah right.

    I wonder if it's posible to sell my MCSE, HA,HA,HA, what a
    waste of time

    MJ
     
    MJ Lewis, Jan 16, 2005
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    Do you believe sales-people? If you had asked on this newsgroup before you
    gave away $3500, you would have been told to buy a couple of PCs and some
    books and learn it at home rather than go to a bootcamp. Industry knows that
    you were taught enough to pass the exams but without real-life experience a
    1st Line Helpdesk is the best you can expect. Even that is hard to get
    nowadays without prior experience. You've been sold a product on the
    strength of a lie if you ask me.
    It's only a waste of time to people who go to bootcamps or don't have
    experience. You don't say if you have any experience in IT but the certs
    should be used to bolster your knowledge from experience and not as a method
    of getting a job.

    Notice how many times the word 'experience' was used in my reply? Sorry but
    that's the bottom line with IT now.
     
    Who Goes There, Jan 16, 2005
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    Mike T. Guest

    sucker.
     
    Mike T., Jan 16, 2005
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  4. I disagree with the bootcamp statements. These bootcamps are mostly (I say
    mostly because some are not legit as they are more so giving answers out
    instead of training) guided for people already in the IT industry with 12-24
    months of hands-on experience. I do however agree an MCSE alone (AKA Paper
    MCSE) will get you no where. It helps to be certified, but without
    real-world experience and hands-on training your certification is a good
    substitute as a paper weight when framed. Don't let the slow response get to
    you too much though. Time, patience and experience will help in the long
    run.

    --
    "The Rev"
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/second
    ..
     
    Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\), Jan 16, 2005
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    catwalker63 Guest

    Ditto. You have to expect that with the number of people you are
    competing with who HAVE experience AND certifications who are only out of
    work because of economic factors, you aren't going to stand out simply
    because you have an MCSE. I have a four year degree, 7 years of
    experience, and a couple of certifications (not my MCSE yet but I'm
    working on it) and I'm not getting many answers to my resumes and
    applications either. In my location, for every job I apply for, I figure
    I'm going up against between 600 and 1000 applications. That's a
    bewildering array of applicants so if I get a call or email, I feel
    pretty good standing out in such a crowd.

    An MCSE doesn't guarantee a job any more (don't believe the sales people,
    they're just trying to sell their product and will tell you what they
    think you want to hear). You have to really want IT, and work hard for
    it, and pay many more dues to get the really good ones. There are not
    shortcuts. If this is really something you want to do, keep working at
    it. If it's just something you are doing to make more money, you are not
    going to find it that easy.


    --
    Catwalker
    aka Pu$$y Feet
    BS, MCP
    MCNGP #43
    www.mcngp.com

    "I'm not bossy! I just know what nerdbunchanumbers should be doing!"
     
    catwalker63, Jan 16, 2005
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    why am I a sucker?
     
    Who Goes There, Jan 16, 2005
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  7. Sometimes it also helps when looking for work to do it the old fashion way.
    Time to get out and hit these companies in person. Also it doesn't always
    hurt to get in touch with an HR Manager or two. Don't be afraid to push
    yourself out there. And if relocation isn't a problem for you then hit sites
    like Monster.com. I know some people have their opinions about these job
    boards, however it helped me find two jobs one of which is my current
    position with New Horizons. Someone already mention entry-level tech support
    might be your only option. this may very well be the truth. Don't feel you
    threw away $3500. You made an investment for your career. And believe me
    that looks good on a resume and in interviews when someone asks you who paid
    (cause they ask) you can proudly say I decided it was time to get certified
    and went through this undertaking myself.

    Good luck in all your searches, just (as catwalker said) be patient and
    persistent..

    --
    "The Rev"
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/second
    ..
     
    Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\), Jan 16, 2005
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  8. I think Mike replied one post too low in the thread... he didn't mean you.
     
    =?Windows-1252?Q?Frisbee=AE?=, Jan 17, 2005
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    Mike T. Guest

    Fris is right. I didn't mean you...I was referring to the OP, whom I believe
    to be a troll just the same. "...carried on working at the mill"??? How
    Dickensian! Was he fed a diet of watery gruel?

    My humble apologies, WGT.
     
    Mike T., Jan 17, 2005
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  10. And believe me
    But first OP's got to get his/her resume noticed. Without experience,
    there's as much chance of that happening as osama bin Laden turning up
    in Texas

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 17, 2005
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  11. It's been almost 6 months since I completed the boot camp

    It's because you never bought your D.E>GR_EE through them as well.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 17, 2005
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    ;-) no need for apologies humble or otherwise .... just confused me a tad.
     
    Who Goes There, Jan 17, 2005
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    Nerd32768 Guest

    But first OP's got to get his/her resume noticed. Without experience,
    we actually have patrols looking for terrorists, including Osama here,
    because of the Houston ship channel. Houston has the most complex gas
    pipelining system in the world. we don't have as many refineries as some
    other places do, but the amount of oil that comes in makes it very
    dangerous. if the safety valves on the pipelines are disabled, blown up, or
    burnt, which can happen easily with how many pipes there are. down here, it
    is not a question of if, but when Osama, al quad, or some other terrorist
    tries to come in.

    Nerd"3 miles outside of the standard blast radius"32768
     
    Nerd32768, Jan 17, 2005
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  14. But first OP's got to get his/her resume noticed. Without experience,
    shucks, proven wrong again.....

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 17, 2005
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    Neil Guest

    did you hear "Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\)" <Stephen Charles Rea (MCT)
    @discussions.microsoft.com> say in @TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl:
    who would actually hire someone sight unseen and with no other background
    to go on?
     
    Neil, Jan 17, 2005
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  16. You'd be surprised. Personality makes a difference sometimes. I'm not saying
    he'd end up working as a Net Admin right off, but door knocking is never a
    bad idea.

    --
    "The Rev"
    Microsoft Certified Trainer

    Fig Newton: The force required to accelerate a fig 39.37 inches/second
    ..
     
    Stephen Charles Rea \(MCT\), Jan 17, 2005
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    DX Guest

    I believe Microsoft recommends to have at least 7 months system
    administration / tech work experience before taking MCSE exams. Most
    companies want to hire someone has experience rather than only have
    certificates.
     
    DX, Jan 18, 2005
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  18. I believe Microsoft recommends to have at least 7 months system
    recommend is one thing, what's actually required is another.
    what employer in their right mind would employ an inexperienced person
    to do a skilled job! maybe this is the case in india, china etc, but
    you don't see this too often in the west.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 18, 2005
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  19. You'd be surprised. Personality makes a difference sometimes. I'm not saying
    I'd be very surprised. I can't imagine any company taking time out to
    talk to Joe Nobody.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 18, 2005
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  20. who would actually hire someone sight unseen and with no other background
    duh, someone looking to hire a hitman.

    Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
     
    The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere, Jan 18, 2005
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