M$ Patch tags pirated Windows Boxes

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by Meat Plow, Apr 25, 2006.

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    Meat Plow Guest

    Meat Plow, Apr 25, 2006
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    Beck Guest

    I don't see how this is going to stop piracy. People can ignore the message,
    plus crackers will get rid of it in no time. Give it a few weeks and they
    will create a patch to get rid of the message.
    Seems a fruitless exercise really.
    Its all very well letting customers know they have been a victim of piracy
    but its too late after the purchase. I suppose they could report the
    company who sold it to them but thats not going to get them a genuine copy
    of windows.
     
    Beck, Apr 25, 2006
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    Ponder Guest

    Hiya Beck.

    Besides, most people with a pirated copy know it's a pirated copy
    already.
     
    Ponder, Apr 25, 2006
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  4. Today Beck commented courteously on the subject at hand
    You know, what really rankles me about the entire spectrum of
    alleged software piracy is that, in my view, precious damn
    little of it is vindictive or for profit, even if one includes
    so-called "lost revenues" to the developer, whoever they may
    be.

    To attempt to stop "piracy" is about as futile and nonsensical
    as the DEA's $18B+ annual budget and decades long fight for a
    "war on drugs" that succeeds in nothing except to fill federal
    prisons with drug /users/, and few if any sellers. The harder
    they try, the tougher it is for people with aches and pains to
    get the meds they need because the DEA is watching them, their
    doctor and the pharmacist.

    What does this have to do with software piracy? All that has
    resulted in the last decade of SW developer paranoia is to
    increasingly piss off the legitimate paying customer who
    wantsnothing more than to simply /use/ the software to do
    useful work, and /not/ pay for legions of programmers
    attempting to create bullshit like "authenticity
    verification", a classic oxymoron. And, should anything go
    even remotely wrong, the legit licensed user cannot get the
    blinking app or OS to run again without kissing the ass of the
    mavens they bought it from - on Monday morning.

    This /might/ be OK if it did anything to stop piracy, and if
    it it did anything at all to prevent lawful making of a profit
    on intellectual property of great value. But, it does none of
    those things. Activation code, secret writes to your HD,
    bullshit messages popping up, all of that nonsense, stops
    absolutely no one intent on defrauding the developer, or those
    who get their thrills by "defrauding" M$ or Adobe for no other
    reason than they hate them (more than me!) and want to see if
    they can do it.

    How about this novel idea - charge $9.99 for Windoze and
    $49.99 for PS CS2 and simply make it /unprofitable/ to bootleg
    the stuff.

    Just one old fools opinion, YMMV.
     
    All Things Mopar, Apr 25, 2006
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    Beck Guest

    I have a pirated copy of pro. This is not out of the desire to steal
    software. I bought a new laptop last week. When I switched on I was
    prompted to create a restore dvd from a hidden partition. Went to use the
    disc to sort out partitions and it was corrupted and had missing files. It
    rendered the laptop useless and with no OS.
    As an emergency I downloaded xp pro from another pc just so I could get it
    back to a usable state. Acer are sending me another copy of the restore
    disc (for which I have a license for) but I am not sure I can trust it not
    to screw up my system. So I am going to buy another copy of XP home - an
    oem one as its cheaper. Until I get it I will be sticking with xp pro. I
    don't want to be using illegal software but Acer put me in this situation
    and it will be rectified within the next week.

    Just wondering, seeing as I own a license for XP home would it be legal for
    me to download XP home and use my legal product key? After all they say
    when you get XP you pay for the license not the software?
     
    Beck, Apr 25, 2006
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    Beck Guest

    I think windows is far too expensive. MS are a multi billion $ company.
    They could easily afford to drop the price. I don't expect them to ship for
    free but £60 for just an oem version is far too much.
     
    Beck, Apr 25, 2006
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    1 of 1 Guest

    I own a legit copy of WinXP Pro. When I first got it with my current
    computer I used to play around & experiment a bit which seriously screwed up
    the OS a fair bit & I did quite a few re-installs; I can't remember how
    many. Now, despite owning my legit copy, every time I want to re-install
    windows I have to make up some bullshit story for the Microsoft Helpdesk
    (which is in India, I'm in Aust) so they'll give me an authentication code
    (or whatever it's called). Last time I re-installed it was because of an
    irrecoverable crash. The Helpdesk wouldn't accept that Windows itself could
    be at fault & I had to make up some other bullshit.
    Hardly relevant to the thread but I thought I'd throw it in anyway.
     
    1 of 1, Apr 25, 2006
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    Beck Guest

    Yes the activation process is not great for those who do regular hardware
    upgrades. They can activate online the first few times but then it requires
    a phonecall.
     
    Beck, Apr 25, 2006
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    Leythos Guest

    Leythos, Apr 25, 2006
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    antwine Guest

    To those who rationalize that it is somehow OK to
    use pirated software - it is easy to do so when you
    are a common, typical, ordinary thief.
     
    antwine, Apr 25, 2006
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  11. Today 1 of 1 commented courteously on the subject at hand
    My point exactly, and it is relevant to this thread. To try and
    (unsuccessfully) twart the pirates, you have to get past the
    droids in some country that doesn't even speak your language.
    Again I say, Bill - lower the price to $9.99 or less, like you
    charge the OEMs and you'll make more money and your customers
    will be mucho happier!
     
    All Things Mopar, Apr 25, 2006
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  12. Today antwine commented courteously on the subject at hand
    I know you're not talking to anyone specifically, but, for the
    record, I do /not/ bootleg, never have, never will. It isn't
    that I have Bill the Gates money, hardly that. It is that I used
    to earn a few bucks selling my software and didn't like piracy,
    but much more so, all this activation bullshit isn't helping
    anyone except for the thousands of programmers writing it and
    desperately trying to debug it a little.

    Again to the illegal drugs analogy/metaphor, it is intuitively
    obvious and the proof is let to the reader that no developer
    will ever be able to stop pirating, nor make even a meaningful
    dent in it, so they get their jollies and satisfy their desire
    for what should be well-earned profits by gouging their law-
    abiding customers.
     
    All Things Mopar, Apr 25, 2006
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  13. This must be a myth. My friend has a copy of WinXP SP2 Corporate which
    he got via Bit Torrent, I saw him install that patch, it doesn't show
    any illegal copy messages.
     
    mike.j.harvey, Apr 25, 2006
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    joevan Guest

    Can he get updates? Is he able to install windows defender?
     
    joevan, Apr 25, 2006
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  15. Yes to both
     
    mike.j.harvey, Apr 25, 2006
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  16. But what i forgot is that Win XP Pro Corporate is just the version of
    XP supplied to business customers, which does not need activation. It
    isn't cracked or altered so I guess there's no way for any Microsoft
    spying patch to tell how my friend got it.

    Of course I paid for mine.
     
    mike.j.harvey, Apr 25, 2006
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    sbb78247 Guest

    a friend, riiiiiight!
     
    sbb78247, Apr 25, 2006
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    Leythos Guest

    I've seen downloaded copies of the VL version of OS's install without a
    hitch. The problem with downloading pirated copies, other than it being
    illegal and unethical, is that you don't know if the download has been
    modified by some means that you can't detect.
     
    Leythos, Apr 25, 2006
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    antwine Guest

    ATM:
    Thank you for your reply to my posting. I was merely making a
    comment.
    Bill Gates is never going to bargain basement MS products. Even
    if MR. Gates said 'Cut all products to sell for 10% of the
    original price' it would not happen. There are far too many
    MS managers who would over-ride that announcement. If
    you believe that Mr. Gates controls his company in all matters
    you are in error. Hundreds of thousands of people would be
    affected, MS programmers would lose initiative, product
    quality (and quantity) would suffer. The bottom line is
    that the cost of a product is measured by the efforts and
    costs expended to produce it. Microsoft knows to the penny
    how much that cost is and what MS must sell it to underwrite
    the total expense and stockholder profit. If Microsoft could
    produce Win XP and market it for $10.00 a copy they
    would have done so long before now.
     
    antwine, Apr 25, 2006
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  20. Today antwine commented courteously on the subject at hand
    I am a pragmatist, and also an M$ stockholder, so I well
    understand the realities here. Talk about talking out of both
    sides of my mouth!

    As to MS's "initiative, product quality (and quantity)", those
    folks are quite good at what they do best - generate (some)
    profits. But, innovate? Not in my book.

    There isn't anything magic to the Economics 101 of big business
    today, either, I'm afraid.
     
    All Things Mopar, Apr 25, 2006
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