Linux is Free-->So Why Such A Low Market Share?

Discussion in 'Computer Support' started by doris.gets_her_oats, Apr 29, 2006.

  1. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

    Microsoft WindowsXP has been pretty much stagnant for the last 2 years,
    so why hasn't a FREE operating system like Linux taken hold, set down
    roots and sprouted?

    For Linux to be a 3.4 percent, considering it is FREE is
    pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What if Sony gave away CD's for free?
    How long would Warner Brothers be in business?
    How about if Levis gave away jeans for FREE?
    How long would Wrangler be in business?

    Yet, we have Linux free every day of the week and still at 3.4 percent?

    Maybe the real truth is, that Linux SUCKS!

    And for the record, I don't believe the Linux excuse that people set
    their browser strings to show IE, although I know they do, but it
    doesn't matter.
    Why?

    Because the browser string includes more information, including the
    operating system, so it is trivial to parse for this and get more
    accurate statisitics.

    A typical browser identification string looks like this:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)

    It's easy to parse for Windows or Linux and correct the stats
    accordingly.

    The "faking the browser: excuse is just another copout in the Linux
    screwballs bag of tricks.

    Again, Linux is free................................

    So WHERE THE HELL IS IT HIDING?
     
    doris.gets_her_oats, Apr 29, 2006
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    7 Guest


    Linux has reached the tipping point where its taking over
    all the basic bread and butter stuff from specialist applications,
    to servers and now the desktop.

    For any price point, now Linux is faster and handles bigger files
    than windopes in every known configuration,
    whether its applications, gaming, playing videos, networking, 3D windows
    or developing new code. Its also more interoperable than any
    known windopes configuration.

    You shouldn't fret over market share. Its going up in
    leaps and bounds (in percetange growth terms) - so why fret?
     
    7, Apr 29, 2006
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    DGDevin Guest

    Because 80% of new PCs come with Windows already installed maybe?
     
    DGDevin, Apr 30, 2006
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    chopin1810 Guest

    There are no OEMs who preinstall Linux.
    90% of the market only buys computers from these OEMs.
    Therefore, we are not seeing widespread Linux growth because it is
    completely dependent on individual users installing it themselves --
    which nobody is doing, no, they want Dell to do everything for them.
    Dell chooses Windows so... that's what they use.
    You dumbass, think logically.
     
    chopin1810, Apr 30, 2006
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    Ron Martell Guest

    Companies have offered new PCs with Linux installed, but the sales
    were abysmally low so they were dropped by most of them.

    Dell still lists Linux systems
    http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/precn_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

    For a complete list of companies that sell new computers with Linux
    preinstalled see http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/desktop.html

    Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
    --
    Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
    On-Line Help Computer Service
    http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

    "Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
    has never been in bed with a mosquito."
     
    Ron Martell, Apr 30, 2006
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    Crunch Guest

    Wall Mart sells laptops with Linux installed.
     
    Crunch, Apr 30, 2006
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    James Guest

    Because windows comes pre-installed on just about every pc that is produced,
    obviously it will have a larger market share. Most people just don't know
    that there are alternatives out there and indeed many of them beleive that
    "windows *IS* the pc".

    Add to that the fact that Linux just doesn't run all those games that gamers
    play and you end up with a specalist system.

    A vast majority of servers are linux because it is good a doing it. However
    certainly in the case of games, the linux servers are powering windows
    gamers.
     
    James, Apr 30, 2006
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    ray Guest

    It has.
    Says who? I dispute your numbers, and EVERYONE agrees that Linux passed
    MAC about two years ago - and nearly everyone will agree that MAC is
    better than MS.
    Your analogies are seriously flawed. Virtually every computer sold comes
    with MS preinstalled. You have to do serious work to find a vendor who
    will sell you a bare computer or one with Linux installed - try Dell,
    Gateway, . . . So first off, a consumer has to take action to replace
    something he already has. Most people are not up to installing Linux. IMHO
    it's easier than installing MS and they could not do a bare install there
    if their lives depended on it.
    After you just bought a new car with crappy Firestone/Bridgestone tires,
    would you go to the effort of installing new Goodyear tires yourself, even
    if they were free?
     
    ray, Apr 30, 2006
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    I. Care Guest

    The market i.e. desires of the buying public determines what OS is
    installed. If a reasonably large number of people wanted Linux the PC
    builders would offer it pre-installed or they would lose business.
    Apparently that is not happening.
     
    I. Care, Apr 30, 2006
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    I. Care Guest

    The numbers don't show it, show the numbers.
    I dispute YOUR numbers. Oh.. you don't have any numbers either. Who is
    "EVERYONE"?
    Because that's what people want maybe?

    You have to do serious work to find a vendor who
    Exactly the problem. I put my Windows install disk in, select a couple
    of options tell it to install and when I come back it's all done and
    operating. Been running XP for years with very few problems (mostly
    caused by me).

    IMHO
    Doesn't match your assertion above does it ("Most people are not up to
    installing Linux")?
     
    I. Care, Apr 30, 2006
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    rapskat Guest

    Do you go into a restaurant and take whatever the server places in front
    of you without ever looking at a menu?
     
    rapskat, Apr 30, 2006
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    rapskat Guest

    Ok, but if the plate determines what kind of food you can have, and
    someone only gives you the choice of one kind of plate, isn't that the
    same thing?

    The point here is that the so called "demand" for M$ software is self
    perpetuating. When all people know and see is M$ to the exclusion of
    anything else, then of course that's what they are going to want simply
    because they don't know anything else. Win mindshare and you win
    marketshare.

    There was once a movie based on some wannabe actress who paid for posters
    and ads with nothing but her name and a headshot to be posted all over the
    place. She had never been in a single movie, show, commercial, not even a
    milk carton. Within two weeks, she was in the highest demand of any actor
    or actress in the area. She created the demand for herself, just like M$
    created the demand for their products.

    M$ took it even further though by eliminating the competition through
    various methods such as exclusive licensing, legal finagling, buyouts,
    lockouts and other methods. To the point that they are to this day still
    being investigated for monopolositic and anti-competitive practices here
    and overseas.

    So when people say that M$ products are "in demand", I laugh at them.
    Nobody goes to a computer store and "demands" Windows, it's just what they
    are given. There is no choice in the matter. Go into the store and
    "demand" Linux and see what happens. How exactly are people "choosing" it
    when there is no choice given?
     
    rapskat, Apr 30, 2006
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    rapskat Guest

    For desktop use, that is closer to 98% for all new PC's.
     
    rapskat, Apr 30, 2006
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    flatfish+++ Guest

    A better analogy would be like, do you care if the plate your food is on
    is white, yellow or bone colored?

    Operating systems are the plate.

    The applications are the food on the plate.

    The majority of people care about the food and much less, if at all, about
    the color of the plate it is served on.
    The plate (operating system) is just a medium on which to deliver the food.
     
    flatfish+++, Apr 30, 2006
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  15. If you grow up with all your neighbors and all your friends, relatives
    and enemies using Windows, if you want to buy software at a local store
    that will work with your Walmart computer, if you want your local
    hoodlum kids to show you how to use your computer, if you don't want to
    bother with finding obscure drivers, learning obscure commands, diddling
    with security issues, Windows is the only way to go. Microsoft made it
    easy and is still making it easy for end-users to get into computing.
    Yes, if the end-users could somehow be convinced to try Linspire or
    Ubuntu first, it might be different. But that's an enormous hurdle to
    get past.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=, Apr 30, 2006
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    DGDevin Guest

    I was going by a news report a few days ago about MS's legal troubles in
    Europe, it said 80% of PCs sold there had Windows and thus all of its
    components pre-installed, that being offered as the reason why competing
    media players couldn't break into the market.
     
    DGDevin, Apr 30, 2006
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    asj Guest

    Any numbers for the argument that Linux passed Mac? In the developed
    countries at least, I have my doubts about this. According to Apple,
    Mac sales growth year over year in 2005 was an amazing 40%+!

    http://news.com.com/Apple+earnings+continue+to+hum+along/2100-1045_3-5669710.html

    I think Linux will start eating up Windows like a hungry dog munching
    on fat steak when it comes to the server arena, but desktop Linux is
    just not up to Windows or Mac in terms of available applications and
    ease of use (not to mention marketing power).
     
    asj, Apr 30, 2006
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  18. I just had a brilliant inspiration that is colostomy in scope, why not
    give computer buyers a $95 rebate if they choose Linux instead of
    Windows? Of course, that's about 10 times what the OEM builders pay for
    Windows, but it's just a starting point. Just knock off what Windows
    actually costs them for choosing a Linux machine? Hell, let them put
    some investments into game developers, that'll light some fires. I'm
    certainly not a Linux drum beater, but if Linux could make the turn into
    an OS that the populous accepts, I'm all for it.
     
    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=F4g=EAr?=, Apr 30, 2006
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  19. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Windows Server has overtaken and is growing
    faster than Linux in the server arena right now.
     
    Charles Tomaras, Apr 30, 2006
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    asj Guest


    Numbers and sources, please. Considering that my company and several
    others I know have switched from Windows boxes to Linux for web
    servers, I'm not so sure about this.
     
    asj, Apr 30, 2006
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