Las Vegas Pics Tips & Tricks

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by veritas, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. veritas

    veritas Guest

    Hello!

    This is my annual Las Vegas digital photography cross-post to both
    alt.vacation.las-vegas and rec.photo.digital.

    My major problem is night shots of the Bellagio Fountains -help!

    My other problem is where it's OK to take casino pics:
    Where is it OK all the time with no worry?
    Where is it frown upon? A polite warning with a smile.
    Where can you get in a couple then they get real mad (threats but no
    action)?
    Where do they confiscate your memory/camera and kick you out (can they
    steal your property?)?

    Thanks,
    Veritas
     
    veritas, Jan 10, 2007
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    Jer Guest


    A lady friend used to work at the Mirage as a bar hop. She told me none
    of the casinos openly allow amateur photogs to roam about unfettered,
    but if you get prior permission from the floor manager, for a limited
    area appointment and NO FLASH, you could get lucky. Otherwise, don't
    even think of attempting to circumvent this floor rule, you'd be noticed
    in a blink by the really pleasant surveillance people and you'll be out
    on your can. No, they can't confiscate your gear, but they can make you
    wish they would while they escort you to the curb.
     
    Jer, Jan 11, 2007
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    Brian K Guest


    Why is this myth still so popular and repeated so often ?

    Take your pictures anywhere you want, if a casino has a problem
    they will politely ask you to stop. No one will confiscate your
    camera, no one will throw you out unless you continue after you've
    been asked to stop. If you don't believe me maybe you'll believe
    the proof, follow the link below for many pictures taken in many
    different casinos in Las Vegas.


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    Brian K, Jan 11, 2007
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    fxd99 Guest

    I agree with Brian. I've never been asked to stop taking pictures in a
    casino. Of course I don't aim the camera at a full BJ table. Only time
    you get beat up in a casino is when you win too much. Or so i've heard...
    Denny in Mass
     
    fxd99, Jan 11, 2007
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    Jer Guest


    Okay, you do a vacation trip for a few days, I did too, but since a
    casino is private property, I asked and got permission, and on the
    contingency that no other patron complained. One finally did, and I was
    politely asked to cease and desist. I did. It's not a big deal unless
    you like getting kicked out on your can. I don't. According to my
    friend, the no flash rule was at the Mirage, which is where I was. It
    wouldn't surprise me if this was prevalent at the other places, I don't
    like flash either. Oh, your proof is currently broken, too.
     
    Jer, Jan 11, 2007
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    BR Eagle Guest

    I think we need to see about getting this one on the ballot. I have the
    RIGHT to take pictures in a PUBLIC place. WHO do they think they are saying
    I can take flash photos. Haven't they ever heard of the Constitution or the
    Civil Rights Act? I may have to call my congressman! Or better yet, Nancy
    Pelosi!
     
    BR Eagle, Jan 11, 2007
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    Chuck.K Guest


    Call Cliffy. Now that he's no longer on the homeowners board while
    he WAITS for his wife to POSSIBLY get elected, he has PLENTY of time
    to work on your proposal...... and we all KNOW how effective he was
    in getting smoking BANNED.

    Chuck
     
    Chuck.K, Jan 11, 2007
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    zekor Guest

    when I shoot night shots a tripod is nice but I have learned also to
    hold the camera still. I underexpose night shots then manually bring up
    the gamma so lights do not get saturated.
    For example, shooting the Rio Carnival. Stay away from the tables.
    Slots are more relaxed.
    I got a NO doing my Camcorder at the LVH, and it was in the restuarant
    section. Mostly because there was hardly any body there, I was picked
    out.
    Don't linger. Know how to preset camera and do quick shots.
    I was threatned to have my Camcorder confiscated at a free concert on
    the downtown streets. The woman really irritated me, was outright
    nasty. I don't think she had any right to do this, but it happened.
    What do yo think of my Bellagio shots?
    http://www.pitt.edu/~szekeres/vegas.htm
     
    zekor, Jan 11, 2007
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    annie Guest

    My other problem is where it's OK to take casino pics:
    I occasionally ask either a "suit" or a uniformed security guard what
    the policy of the casino is. I'm doing a cut-paste of the comments I
    have at the end of the post here.
    IANAL, but those who are say "NO" they cannot legally confiscate your
    personal property but they can kick you out. You might want to check
    the Krages book, _Photography_And_The_Law_ or something like that. Any
    libe or bookstore should have it. I found it on the shelf of the local
    B&N.

    Anyway ...

    On the past several trips, I made a point to ask at the casinos we
    visited to see what their photo policy was. I always asked a uniformed
    security person or else a "suit", so I would be sure I was getting the
    actual policy and not somebody's whim.
    .. . . . .

    Sahara: "Well, you're really not supposed to, but ..."
    .. . .

    Sam's Town: "Over here by the machines is fine, don't shoot the pit."
    .. . .

    Green Valley Ranch: >>>>NO!<<<< Very emphatic. He said that some of the
    other Station properties do let you do it.
    .. . .

    Gold Coast: "With you and your friends by the machines is fine, don't
    get other people in the background. The pit is off limits."
    .. . .

    Westward Ho: No! (Kind of a moot point now ...)
    .. . .

    Slots-A-Fun: "No tables, no cage, anywhere else is fine."
    .. . .

    Stardust: Long discourse about how the pit, cage, showroom and sports
    book are a no-no, but about anywhere else is ok. War story about how
    the
    cage was robbed a couple years back, so if they see you photograph the
    cage, they may get nasty. (Kind of moot too ...)
    .. . .

    Imperial Palace: No tables, no cage, no flash. Some entertainment may
    be restricted. Be considerate.
    .. . .

    Wynn: Very snooty answer from suit type floorperson:

    Me: What is your policy on photos here?

    FP: Oh, the same as in all of the better casinos.

    Me: What is that.

    FP: {condescending look} No gaming, all else is ok.
    .. . .

    South Coast: "Media only, with prior arrangements."
    .. . .

    Rio: Guard took me aside for a grand tour of what could and could not
    be photographed ... said while pointing ... "Machines ok, no tables, no
    cage, no personal shots of the photos with showgirls. You are
    encouraged
    to take photos of the show in the sky."
     
    annie, Jan 11, 2007
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    annie Guest

    My major problem is night shots of the Bellagio Fountains -help!

    I don't know if this will help, but here's what I've tried for the
    Bellagio fountains. I still don't have it to the point that I have any
    of the Bellagio fountains that I want to display. Some of them are "OK"
    (I think we can do better than that!) but don't rate the Charles Atlas
    Seal Of Approval. :)

    I use a manual film camera, usually a Canon GIII, for the Las Vegas
    night shots, and almost always Fuji 800 film. Kodak 800 gives me a
    dirty and gritty image compared to the Fuji, and the now-discontinued
    Walgreens/Agfa 800 was downright nasty! You can probably get good
    results with digital, but you'll need to set the ISO high, like at 800
    or even 1600, and set exposure to manual, and I suggest 1/30 or 1/60.

    I'll either handhold at 1/60 or 1/30, or use my purse as a makeshift
    beanbag and go 1/15. You'll see people there with tripods, but I
    consider those to be a pain, plus I think 1/30 is about as slow as you
    want to go for fountains. For waterfalls, you get that "bridal veil"
    look shooting slower, but for fountains you want some stop-action.

    Anyway, a couple of my attempts are on these pages:

    http://www.letis.com/dmr/pics/vegas/vegas3/
    http://www.letis.com/dmr/pics/vegas/vegas9/

    The Bellagio shots are down quite a bit on both pages.

    Hope this helps.
     
    annie, Jan 11, 2007
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    annie Guest

    I agree with Brian. I've never been asked to stop taking pictures in a
    I was once. Ironically it was the Westward Ho, shortly before they
    closed. I was shooting outside, the facade and those umbrella things,
    and I stepped inside and started composing.

    A security guy was on me in seconds. He was incredibly apologetic and
    very courteous, but he did ask me to not shoot inside. I didn't. He
    apologized over and over.

    The WH outside shots that night are here:

    http://www.letis.com/dmr/pics/vegas/vegas6/
     
    annie, Jan 11, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    So far, the only major Strip hotel/casino with a posted no-camera rule
    is the Venetian. IIRC, it only includes video cameras. I've been there
    several times, even with my Digital Rebel, and no one has ever
    complained.
    As for the other casinos, I've visited with a P&S and with the DSLR,
    and I've been told by visitors that I can't take photos, but never by
    any casino employees.

    This contrasts with a visit to a casino in South Lake Tahoe in the
    mid-70s, when I tried to walk in with a SLR; I was literally picked up
    by two large security men and walked outside.
    This did have a good ending, though; when I explained that Iwas doinga
    photo essay on "gold" for a college history class, and I wanted to
    show where a lot of the gold ended up, they contacted a manager who
    listened to my idea, then offered to escort me through the casino to
    get my shots. When I wanted to take a shot, he asked those in the shot
    if they would object; if anyone did, the shot was a no-go. After I
    shot a roll, he offered to have the casino process the roll of slides
    (I got the distinct impression this was an offer I couldn't refuse); I
    got most of the slides back, with a polite letter explaining that some
    of the shots "didn't come out."

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    for sporting events. If you want
    to know ahead of time what's going
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    Nonnymus Guest

    I think that the purpose of a "no camera" rule for inside a casino is to
    protect the identity of the patrons. After all, some politician would
    not want his picture on the front page of the Wall Street Journal,
    sitting at a poker table. If the picture was outside the casino, then
    he could claim he was just inspecting the real estate to see if it
    should be taxed more. My only attempt at photos in a casino was on
    Grand Bahamas Island. When the flash went off, out came two large
    security gents. They viewed the picture and verified that it was just
    of one in our party, then "asked" me to not take further pictures.

    Nonny
     
    Nonnymus, Jan 11, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Reading the rest of my post, yes, that *used to* be a concern.
    Now, I don't see that at all, at least not as a concern by the
    casinos.
    As for the Venetion, the owner has made it clear he's much more
    concerned about the architecture and interior decorations; there have
    been several shows on Travel Channel where he's been interviewed and
    has said this. But, as I said, I think the prohibition there is for
    video cameras; I don't know why the distinction. I have a lot of shots
    from there, especially of the canoes.


    --
    Senate Democrats proposed ethics
    reform legislation on Tuesday.
    It calls for lawmakers to pay the
    real cost of corporate jet flights
    and the full cost of skybox tickets
    for sporting events. If you want
    to know ahead of time what's going
    to happen to this bill, you simply
    need to watch the last five minutes
    of Old Yeller.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 11, 2007
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    Jer Guest


    My friend from the Mirage (thanks Jan) says the policy is intended to
    protect the privacy of the patrons - and some don't like adhoc
    distractions when the chips are down (thanks for the pun Jan). Also, as
    one can imagine, security of the area is another consideration the
    property owner is responsible for - and it IS private property.

    "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas"
     
    Jer, Jan 11, 2007
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    droyus Guest

    Casinos might be places where large numbers of the general public
    gather, but it's still private property. Just like they can arrest you
    for trespassing if they've ejected you in the past and told you not to
    return, they can also tell you what you can and can't do on their
    property...including photography. But since I'm neither a shutterbug
    nor am I trying to hide from anyone, it's never bothered me a bit.
     
    droyus, Jan 12, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    I understand what you're saying.
    But...
    I haven't had any problems in the last five years I've been going to
    Vegas, taking photos in the casinos.
    If someone taking photos (sans flash, natch) is a distraction, they
    aren't taking their gambling seriously. :)
    Another consideration is that technology is making such bans
    irrelevent. There are so many people with the ability to take pics
    without being noticed that any ban is worthless.
    As far as privacy is concerned, forget it. The ability to take photos
    surreptitiously makes any expectation of privacy absurd.

    --
    Senate Democrats proposed ethics
    reform legislation on Tuesday.
    It calls for lawmakers to pay the
    real cost of corporate jet flights
    and the full cost of skybox tickets
    for sporting events. If you want
    to know ahead of time what's going
    to happen to this bill, you simply
    need to watch the last five minutes
    of Old Yeller.
     
    Bill Funk, Jan 12, 2007
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    BR Eagle Guest

    Droyus,
    I used to think you were ok. But haven't you heard of the civil rights act?
    Casinos are quasi-private property. Just becuz someone is a shuttlebug
    doesn't give them the right. Shuttlebugs have rights too. It might even be
    a disease.
    Maybe we need to see if shuttlebugs are covered by workman's comp. Where's
    the damn lawyer when you need him?

    I have now spent more time from that on this thread, meaning that this
    is now officially a waste of time.--Elmer, in AVLV
     
    BR Eagle, Jan 14, 2007
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    AlanRRT Guest

    My limited experience with photography in casinos:
    Plaza: The pit boss and dealer both just about had strokes because I
    was carrying a camera, I was told to put the lens cap on and keep it
    under the table.
    Golden Nugget: I asked a security guard, and was told it was OK
    anywhere except the sports book.
    Bellagio (conservatory, not in the casino itself) and Fitzgerald's
    (WITH flash), I took pictures and was never accosted by security or
    other employees.
    Each casino has it's own rules, and being private businesses, can make
    any rules they desire. All this applies to still photography, I
    believe no casino allows video photography. When they do (for TV or
    movies, and with advance knowledge and permission of management), there
    is a sign warning patrons.
     
    AlanRRT, Jan 15, 2007
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    GMAN Guest

    In 2005, when i went there for a short trip, i took hundreds of shots all over
    the casinos. I suppose i never did directly take photo's of slot machines etc
    but if you are roaming the halls like at Ceasars and get shots of slots etc in
    the background, you shouldnt have any problems. They mostly frown upon direct
    photo's of the gaming tables and machines up close. They can tell a tourista
    from a con.
     
    GMAN, Jan 16, 2007
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