Justifiable?

I don't know. Can you???

 

WTF?????

 

WTF?????

 

WTF?????

 

WTF?????

 

Remember Rodney King? Who was beaten by six or more officers while on the
ground? They were all highly trained and seasoned cops too.

Since when do you handcuff a person for a jaywalking citation?
Let alone the person you're talking to is being perhaps a tad beligerant
and uncooperative? I'd say this cop was looking for a fight and he made one
happen.

A true profssional would have had some kind words to say to the ladies
about the reasons behind using the overhead crosswalk, yada yada, have a
nice day ladies and go on. Not this cop. He's gotta show off to them and
anyone watching who the damn boss is around here. This is big bad white cop
in a black neighborhood. If he's done this scene once, he's done it before
plenty. He oughta get his ass kicked off the department.

 

Did you really watch the video and read the account of what
happened? One of the jaywalkers walked away from him and he
tried to detain her. Should he just let her go? Of course
not. So if physical force was necessary for writing a jaywalking
ticket, is it at that point he should have let her go? When he
tried to detain her one of her friends tried to *physically*
intervene. She's the one that got punched.

You've never jaywalked in Seattle have you?

Black neighborhood. White neighborhood. Doesn't matter in
Seattle.

And you know better? Because you were a mall cop?

 

You are assuming and pretending and espousing that the officer was
hassling blacks, when the reality is that the officer was simply trying
to issue a citation for an infraction of a law.

I'm operating from the assumption that we should believe that he was not
hassling. The officer's beat was a black neighborhood. The street in
question was yet another street named Martin Luther King.

Maybe the young women in this case have been conditioned by their black
peers and their black friends and their black parents to disrespect the
law in general without any good reason.

You seem to be saying that it is appropriate for all black people to
disrespect the law because all black people have been so mistreated by
the law.

I don't believe that is an appropriate assumption. I don't believe that
the law should be assumed to be at fault here when the preliminary
evidence is that the women were at fault and disruptive when they should
have just accepted their citation for their infraction.

Why would you assume/ believe/ assert/ that anything like that is going
on here?

 

The person was not being handcuffed for jaywalking. The belligerent
assaulting person was being handcuffed for that assaultive behavior and
resisting the detention to be cited. The second video link looks to me
like she started out with her trivial infraction and blew it up into an
confrontational incident for absolutely no reason.

I'm betting that when the total picture is developed that it will turn
into a couple of hostile young black women acting like thugs instead of
like the 'ladies' that you mention below.

You are dreaming up your own screenplay here.

 

I think that it - racial hassling of which you speak - has happened in
the past and must still happen too often - but that the 'institutions' -
the police forces and departments - are structured/ designed/ regulated/
to *NOT* so behave. I say that the police forces of today tend to be
racially diverse at the highest levels and trained to defuse the racial
attitudes that arise from those young people who have a 'sensation' of
being persecuted when they are not.

I have seen a lot of young people - generally black as opposed to Asian
or Chicano - with some kind of racial attitudes which are completely
inappropriate for the situation. No one has persecuted or mistreated or
has been 'racially insensitive' to them.

They - those young black people - should be getting along just like
everyone else, but instead they are acting out with an attitude.

If you haven't seen a lot of that behavior, then you have your eyes closed.

 

Yes it does happen. It also gets claimed to happen when it didn't happen.

That is why many many police departments require that the patrol car
have a video camera filming the entire encounter rather than the tidbit
for the blogosphere that is being ballyhooed right now.

That is also why many cops today behave quite a lot better than the cops
of the past, because they know that their actions are going to be
reviewed by their superiors.

 

I disagree. I think that what you describe rarely/uncommonly happens.

The cops kick down a lot of black people's doors because there are a lot
of black drug dealers. The cops kick down a lot of brown and yellow
people's doors because there are also a lot of Mexican and Asian drug
dealers. The cops kick down a lot of white people's doors because there
are a lot of white drug dealers.

It is unfortunate when drug busts go bad -- but I believe that LE
lawenforcement doesn't like to make those mistakes -- not that there is
reckless disregard for human and property rights.

No. I see this in RL reallife. The frequency depends a lot on where I am.

Sometimes the TV and movies exaggerate the hassling problem rather than
accurately portray it.

That incident is better described here in this blog article:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/05/spd_probing_video-taped_arrest.php
Seattle Police are conducting an internal investigation into possible
abuse of a robbery suspect

The preliminary investigation is based mostly on the amateur video,
since there wasn't a departmental vid. A police procedures expert's
preliminary opinion was that he could speculate on excuses, but that the
vid doesn't appear to give any excuse for the officer's behavior.

The officer was taken off-duty and he has since publicly tearfully
apologized for his mistakes, both physical and verbal. This suspect was
Mexican, not black.

 

http://www.zimbio.com/Cheye+Calvo/articles/4/Cheye+Calvo+Mayor+Berwyn+Heights+MD+Innocent

http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=116362

In another incident the DPD 'unhorsed' a disable drive (impounded his car
and left him and his family by the side of the road) even though a family
member hand carried the missing insurance card to the scene.

In another a hot shot DPD cop prevented a family from reaching the side of
their dying mother/mother in law over a botched traffic stop.

Texas state trooper tazered an 89 year old grand mother at a traffic stop.
Justification he was afraid for his life.

Dallas constable's office has a swat team that has been up to a lot of
expensive high jinks.

I lived in LA for over a year doing tech work on the cell systems. Lot of
night work. If I'd only had a video camera.

 

Yes I agree.

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The reasons the public thinks they know who the 'oppressor' is is
because vids like these two examples spread virally all over the
internet; whereas any vids which might get taken of cops doing good
instead of bad are of absolutely no interest to anyone.

Consequently here we are talking and talking and talking about apparent
cop misdeeds as if they were a normal occurrence, when probably one of
the incidents wasn't even the misdeed as it was presented and the other
one was a case of mistaken suspect identification who was mistreated by
a cop which cop presumably had some kind of racial prejudices.

A lot of otherwise very nice people also harbor racial prejudicial
thinking that might come out in a stressful situation. A lot of black
people harbor anti-white racial prejudices.

I don't believe that the cop in this second example was mistreating the
Mexican suspect because he was a Mexican, I believe the cop was
mistreating the Mexican suspect because the cop thought he was an actual
perpetrator (who was also Mexican).

 

My ex husband is black, I am white, we lived in an upscale white
neighborhood. He would never like to go to the local grocery store because
every time he did and paid by check they would always triple check his ID,
phone number and bank account info. When I go using the same checking
account they never check me. When we went together and it happened I
questioned the checker and she did not have an answer. It stopped after I
filed a complaint with the store.



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For what it is worth, the police chief of the SPD Seattle Police Dept
that the offending officer belongs is Chief John Diaz, whose ethnicity
is Hispanic.

Probably (some of) the black populace of Seattle believes that
Hispanic/brown ethnicity of the police chief is why any black violators
are unfairly treated - they are the wrong color.

 

Re The New Jim Crow -

I haven't read the book, but I read several reviews, by amateur
reviewers as well as professionals.

Michelle Alexander is black and a professor and a legal scholar, but I
don't think she/ her book/ would convince me that the problem with all
of the black criminals who are incarcerated is some vast white man's
conspiracy to subjugate and shackle the black man.

There are plenty of other people who have analyzed why there are so many
black criminals and how it relates to the black culture, not a white
conspiracy. So, I say 'Hogwash!" to this black scholar expert who is
apparently a very good writer. I would have to read the book to rebut
it, but one critic took note that she calls black drug dealers 'people
who have drug problems'. How quaint. I guess you /would/ say that a
convicted felon drug dealer had a drug problem.

The reason there are so many black prisoners and parolees is because
there are so many black offenders. Blaming that condition on everyone
else is upside down.

Bill Cosby isn't a legal scholar, but he seems to have a better idea of
how come the black community is overly represented in our prisons and
our welfare rosters.

 

Willie Williams took over and became the first black LAPD chief
replacing Daryl Gates resignation following the '92 riots - after
Williams (also) being the first black Philadelphia PD chief. Gates
reigned from '78 to '92 and there was a significant culture of the type
you describe that developed over those years. Also a lot of good LAPD
work and officers.

But the fact that there was a higher percentage of bad cop acts in LA
from the influences for 14 years starting 32 years ago, doesn't mean
that a lot more balance hasn't been achieved since then. This is 2010
you know.

The conditions that prevailed in the '67 movie Heat of the Night with
Rod Steiger and Sidney Poitier aren't the conditions that prevail today.

 

I do believe that there is a 'modest' amount of unequal process; not
that there is a vast white conspiracy. Maybe Michelle's book will help
fix that inequality.

Some unequal process can be seen in the fact that there is more
enforcement of the crack cocaine of the black dealers' culture which has
more poor than the white powder of the wealthy some of whom are white,
but also some black. Perhaps that is because the drug users who are
white can afford the drugs they use and therefore there is less drug
related crime for the money, such as robbery and murder.

However, I think you will agree that rich blacks, such as athletes, are
often more inclined to act like thugs than rich white athletes. Why is
that? Presumably the culture - the background.

I also am aware that the sentenced and served time is greater for the
black criminals than white, as well as more capital punishment.

The problem of the representation is not white vs black -- it is the
difference between having money and not having money. If you are black
and have money, you get good representation. If you are white and don't
have money, you get the public defender. In that sense, justice and
injustice are both blind.

We haven't even started talking about men vs women in this issue, who
are also enforced and prosecuted unequally.