Judge: File-swapping tools are legal

Discussion in 'DVD Video' started by Citizen Bob, Nov 2, 2006.

  1. Citizen Bob

    Citizen Bob Guest

    That's a snobbish attitude.

    IQ has little to do with understanding the consent of the governed.


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    "First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth
    make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or
    pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the
    outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of
    the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do
    justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world."
    --Clarence Darrow
     
    Citizen Bob, Nov 7, 2006
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  2. Citizen Bob

    Citizen Bob Guest

    Anazingly there are decent judges. It's because their compassion for
    their fellow man comes out in their work. Fascist drones do not have
    human compassion.
    Yeah, but you have "majority verdicts" where only 10 jurors have to
    vote Guilty for the kangaroo court to persecute innocent people.


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    "First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth
    make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or
    pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the
    outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of
    the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do
    justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world."
    --Clarence Darrow
     
    Citizen Bob, Nov 7, 2006
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  3. Citizen Bob

    Citizen Bob Guest

    Who said the North was "anti-slavery".

    There was an active abolitionist movement in the North but it was in
    the minority. Abolitionists pressured Lincoln to repeal the Fugitive
    Slave Act but they were not in the majority so he refused, knowing
    that if he did he would lose the election. Yet he did need the
    abolitionist vote so he concocted the Emancipation Proclamation (after
    forcing California to repeal its version) but this EP only applied to
    the "rebel territories".

    The North kept slaves throughout the War of Northern Agression and
    thereafter until the 13th Am was passed. By contrast the Confederate
    States of America freed the slaves a few months before Lee's
    surrender.


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    "First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth
    make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or
    pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the
    outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of
    the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do
    justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world."
    --Clarence Darrow
     
    Citizen Bob, Nov 7, 2006
  4. Citizen Bob

    Quanta Guest

    And a peer does NOT have to think like you.
     
    Quanta, Nov 7, 2006

  5. There are both civil and criminal prosecutions.
    But yes, your point about civil trials is helpful.
     
    Anthony Marsh, Nov 7, 2006
  6. Citizen Bob

    JoeBloe Guest


    You're an idiot.
     
    JoeBloe, Nov 8, 2006
  7. Citizen Bob

    JoeBloe Guest

    You're an idiot.
     
    JoeBloe, Nov 8, 2006
  8. Citizen Bob

    Citizen Bob Guest

    Here come the sockpuppets.

    FOAD, leftist queers.


    --

    "First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth
    make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or
    pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the
    outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of
    the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do
    justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world."
    --Clarence Darrow
     
    Citizen Bob, Nov 8, 2006
  9. Citizen Bob

    Paul Hyett Guest

    In rec.video.dvd.tech on Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Citizen Bob wrote :
    I know the type - they care only about enforcing the law, not about
    whether the law itself is unjust...
    Just because the defendant could be convicted on a majority verdict,
    doesn't mean they *didn't* commit the crime they are accused of, though.
     
    Paul Hyett, Nov 8, 2006
  10. Citizen Bob

    Citizen Bob Guest

    Just because the defendant was convicted on a majoruty verdict doesn't
    mean they did commit the crime they are accused of, though.

    If one juror votes Not Guilty, that must be taken as prima facie
    evidence of Reasonable Doubt. Under common law juresprudence a
    defendant is innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.

    Why have a jury if the state can so easily demonize a defendant in the
    eyes of 80% of the jury?

    The requirement for unanimous verdicts was put there for a good reason
    - to make absolutely certain that the defendant is guilty beyond all
    reasonable doubt. If you do the math you will discover that the
    probability that 12 people will be correct in their judgement if they
    all vote the same is almost 100%. It is not 100% for 10 jurors. The
    British, who invented common law, knew this - that's why they chose 12
    jurors and not 10.

    Majority verdicts are an abomination, as Tony Martin and Barry Hasting
    found out the hard way. American studies have shown that 80% of the
    jury makes up its mind about the verdict after opening argument. You
    know this because you watched 12 Angry Men.


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    "First and last, it's a question of money. Those men who own the earth
    make the laws to protect what they have. They fix up a sort of fence or
    pen around what they have, and they fix the law so the fellow on the
    outside cannot get in. The laws are really organized for the protection of
    the men who rule the world. They were never organized or enforced to do
    justice. We have no system for doing justice, not the slightest in the world."
    --Clarence Darrow
     
    Citizen Bob, Nov 8, 2006
  11. Citizen Bob

    Paul Hyett Guest

    In rec.video.dvd.tech on Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Citizen Bob wrote :
    That is something of a straw man though, as that can apply to all jury
    decisions.
    You are preaching to the converted, don't forget.
     
    Paul Hyett, Nov 8, 2006
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