Is there any camera on earth meeting 4 simple requirements (AA,CF,7x)

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Susan (Graphic Artist), Jun 10, 2005.

  1. It sounds as if you are paying too much. Investigate some 3rd party
    batteries. I've used Hahnel and would recommend them.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 10, 2005
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  2. I understand your point.

    In fact, I wish my laptops and cell phones would use standard-size
    batteries.

    In double fact, I'll pay MORE for a laptop or cell phone which used
    standard-sized batteries.

    If we ALL did this, the price would go down as we'd have MANY suppliers
    for batteries, and we'd be able to re-use our batteries for more than
    one electronic device and there would be LOWER COST BETTER EQUIPMENT
    ALWAYS USABLE in the end, for all of us, for all our electronics.

    Am I the ONLY one who sees this enchanting possibility of progress? :)

    Wondering aloud,
    Susan Henderson
     
    Susan (Graphic Artist), Jun 10, 2005
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  3. Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
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    Any camera which takes microdrive should take all of your existing CF
    cards.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 10, 2005
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  4. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    ASAAR Guest

    The Fuji S7000 is has two card slots. One is for xD cards and the
    other is for Compact Flash Type I/II cards.. Microdrives are CF
    cards that use a tiny hard drive instead of flash memory, so you
    have the option of using either standard CF cards or microdrives.
    You'd probably be better off using standard CF cards as they're
    probably more rugged, but either should work well. I don't know
    where you saw only xD and microdrive on dpreview.com, but they do
    list the full description in at least two places:

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms7000/

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms7000/page3.asp
     
    ASAAR, Jun 10, 2005
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  5. Susan (Graphic Artist) wrote:
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    I support your call for standard batteries (including Li-ion types), but
    how to progress that? You need to both create these standard types, and
    put pressure on manufacturers to use them.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Jun 10, 2005
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  6. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    ASAAR Guest

    The Fuji S7000 mentioned elsewhere also has a flash hotshoe. Wish
    my camera had one.
     
    ASAAR, Jun 10, 2005
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  7. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    ASAAR Guest

    Cameras have evolved considerably since the near-prehistoric days
    of the Nikon 995. :) I say that because many of the new cameras
    that use two AA alkaline batteries are able to take about 200 shots
    (half with flash, half without) with them. I normally use 4 NiMH AA
    cells in own Fuji S5100, but the first time I tried using alkaline
    AAs in it they lasted for more than 600 shots. I'll continue using
    NiMH for the most part, but if for some reason I had to use alkaline
    batteries it wouldn't be that bad. And alkalines don't lose their
    charge by sitting unused on a shelf for a month or two. They're
    more like lithium-ion rechargeables in this respect, not having the
    high self-discharge rates of NiCad and NiMH batteries.
     
    ASAAR, Jun 10, 2005
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  8. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Keith Jewell Guest


    A quick eBay search for EN-EL1 turned up hundreds for around $9 with
    shipping. They go bad on the shelf, though my experience has been it
    takes about two years for that to happen, so you might just buy new
    ones once a year. Lenmar's LIJ-408 for your JVC camcorder is a little
    rarer, so runs around $30 from many suppliers.

    That said, I've personally chosen to standardize on Canon products
    which will take a BP-511. I've got two cameras and a video camera now,
    so with a dual-bay charger I don't really need to carry much to run
    several devices. The batteries have had good life (my nearly four year
    old ones are getting about half their original life, newer ones better)
    and are common, cheap, and high capacity. I'm done with AA batteries.
    The flashlight gets a set of NiMHs that I swap out with the set on the
    charger every month regardless of use.

    -Keith
     
    Keith Jewell, Jun 10, 2005
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  9. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Deep Reset Guest

    Pentax *ist D with 28-200mm

    Deep.
     
    Deep Reset, Jun 10, 2005
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  10. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    John Bean Guest

    Yes. That's the one I referred to, the BP-400 allows AA or
    Li-Ion.
    They are.
     
    John Bean, Jun 10, 2005
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  11. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    ASAAR Guest

    No, I agree with you. But I don't think that cell phones using
    standard sized D cells would sell very well. :)
     
    ASAAR, Jun 10, 2005
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  12. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Out There Guest

    You can save more space than the extra batteries if you leave the video
    camera at home, and replace the GPS unit with a map, a compass, and a
    willingness to ask locals for directions.

    As far as your 4 requirements for a camera, you can go even simpler by
    selecting a camera that does not use batteries, and uses the most common
    type of media there is: film. Going to this lower common denominator
    means that you can buy lenses with excellent optics, fulfilling your the
    other two requirements easily and at a lower cost.
     
    Out There, Jun 10, 2005
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  13. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    DFS Guest

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    Careful shoppers don't pay much (if any) more for proprietary batteries than
    for AA rechargeable. Pricegrabber lists sources for your camcorder battery
    at $17.95 on up to what you paid. You could have had a battery for the
    5700 for $11.95 from SterlingTek.com.

    Batteries for the Canon digicams, G series and first generation Rebel are
    also now available for less than the price of AA rechargeable. I use an old
    Canon G2.I've had the camera and four batteries for three or four years.
    Three batteries were cheapies, one the original Canon, packed with the
    camera. Canon brand battery is the only one that isn't still holding a full
    charge.

    Your point on multiple chargers is well taken, though I have a small pouch
    that holds them all and gets tossed into the checked bag to avoid carry-on
    weight and scrutiny.

    DS
     
    DFS, Jun 10, 2005
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  14. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Big Bill Guest

    You might want to broaden your reading a little beyond CU.
    Dpreview, Steve's, even the manufacturers themselves, are all on the
    Web, with free professional (biased, on the part of the manufacturers,
    possibly, albeit technically correct) reviews of most cameras being
    recently marketed.
    There's certainly nothing wrong with using newsgroups for this, but,
    IMO, restricting yourself to CU for technical reviews of digital
    cameras means you are missing a *LOT*.
     
    Big Bill, Jun 10, 2005
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  15. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Big Bill Guest

    It w3ould seem to be reasonable to think that if they were indeed
    "universally held" set of needs, there would be more cameras meeting
    them. That there aren't means that either most makers are stupid, or
    these aren't really "universally held".
    I go for the latter. :)
    Forgetting the charger will not go away with AAs.
    A rush may be an emergency for you, but...
    $75 batteries? CU can't show you how to buy something other than OEM?
    Adapters for foreign countries will still be required for that AA
    charger. And AA chargers still need to be arried around.
    And AAs go bad, too.
    It would seem that you've not really thought this one through well.
    No problem. CF is very popular, and will continue to be so.
    Although, that "huge" investment in your CF cards below 512 MB is
    gone; they are dirt cheap now.
     
    Big Bill, Jun 10, 2005
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  16. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    l.michael Guest

    microdrive is basically a tiny harddrive in a compact flash type II
    form factor. If a camera can take microdrive, it can take compact
    flash type I and II as well.

    Lars
     
    l.michael, Jun 10, 2005
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  17. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Rod Speed Guest

    Basically because it limits your choice of camera so drastically.
    Sure, its certainly desirable to use standard batterys,
    AA or AAA, and I do that when I can, but not when it
    limits your choice of model so drastically.
    That approach has its own environmental downsides.
    You're likely to be paying at least that much extra when you demand a
    camera that takes take single-cell rechargable standard format batteries.
    Then you will drastically limit the your
    choice with some items like cameras.
    I dont.
    It makes a lot more sense to just accept
    that there are few cameras available that take
    single-cell rechargable standard format batteries
    Who knows ? Who cares ?
    Surely even you can see that demanding AA batterys would be
    costing you more than a spare battery pack with the last two ?
     
    Rod Speed, Jun 10, 2005
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  18. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Rod Speed Guest

    Nope, not when it limits the choice of camera to just one camera it isnt.
    Pity about the dismal choice of camera if you require
    it uses AA batterys and that particular media card.
     
    Rod Speed, Jun 10, 2005
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  19. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Rod Speed Guest

    Thats just plain wrong, some products are tending towards the use
    of standard format rechargeable cells, most obviously cordless phones.
     
    Rod Speed, Jun 10, 2005
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  20. Susan (Graphic Artist)

    Rod Speed Guest

    There is a good reason why they dont, its too limiting
    to the design, particularly with cellphones and cameras.
    Yet you objected to the optional battery packs for cameras that allow that.
    That isnt going to happen with anything.
    Thats arguable with enough suppliers of the specialist batterys now.
    Thats never going to happen, for the same reason there
    isnt just one format with non rechargable batterys either.
    Its just your pathetic little drug crazed fantasy |-)

    There's quite a bit of use of AAA instead of AA format now, and
    if you think about it for a moment, there is a good reason for that.
     
    Rod Speed, Jun 10, 2005
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