If you have ever visited the Microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse newsgroup you know who the MCNGP are. If you haven't, they are a group of individuals who have created this fictitious certification, which stands for Mean Certified News Group Posters. These individuals are rude, ignorant and just plain nasty to newbies, and news group veterans alike. Steps need to be taken to knock these mafia wannabe's off their pedestal and back to what they are - the worst vermin to face the earth since sewer rats.... I recently saw a post in the newsgroup mentioned above, made by a young man that was proud of his mother for passing the 70-210 exam and was wondering where she might be able to find employment. All of the responses to the post, made by MCNGP racketeers, were rude and insulting to the young man. I was sick and tired of all of the ridiculous and useless posts made by members of the MCNGP, so I replied as follows: "Hey guys, This poor guy is posting because he's proud of his mom, and because she's not sure where to get a job. In your post you mentioned that your mom recently passed 70-210 but at the bottom of the post you referred to her as an MCSE. If she has only taken the 70-210 exam, she's not an MCSE, but rather an MCP. If she took all of the other exams, and 70-210 was the final exam she needed for MCSE, then she's an MCSE now. If she has an MCSE, I would suggest she apply everywhere - to offices, libraries, schools, and anywhere else she can think of. A large majority of jobs are not advertised, and these places need their networks maintained too. If she is an MCP, I would suggest that she look around and see what she can find - but she's probably going to be hard pressed finding even an entry level position without having the full MCSE - unless of course she has years of experience under her belt (which I don't think she does, going by your post). Oh, and congratulate your mom for me!" Shortly thereafter, the following two replies appeared in the newsgroup which were directed at me: Frisbee, a member of the MCNGP, posted "I've got some prime swampland for sale here in Florida... interested?". Kline Sphere posted "What if she's a Troll?". I replied to Kline's post as follows: "Ya, what if... But there was nothing in the original post that was indicative of a troll. All I saw was a post from a young man who was proud of his mom, and wanted to know where she should look for work. The only thing I saw indicative of troll behavior was the responses he received ( however, its obvious that you guys are the newsgroup thugs and are not trolls - if you were trolls you'd disappear and stop giving newbies a hard time). I don't know what else to say, except that I truly feel sorry for everyone that felt they had to rip this young man apart. Your lives must be very sad and depressing if you have nothing better to do during the Holiday season than to make others feel bad." And I received the following two replies within minutes: "Idiot. You must be one of those people who send off money every time you get one of those 'hard luck' email scams" was posted by Kline Sphere. And this isn't the only case where the MCNGP has ripped apart newbies, or people asking legitimate questions. As you may have noticed by the name of the newsgroup - this is a Microsoft newsgroup, albeit somewhat unmoderated (I'd have to say completely unmoderated based on the current state of the newsgroup). However, this newsgroup does have rules, which are posted here: Microsoft should be embarrassed for allowing these cruel uncivilized trolls to continue tormenting posters in that newsgroup. Acting more like a group of teenagers than certified professionals, these are hardly the welcome wagon and have a tendency to scare more people away from the Microsoft news groups. Why does Microsoft allow this to continue? I've been frequenting this newsgroup for a couple of years, and the MCNGP has always been there ripping posters apart limb by limb. Is Microsoft turning a blind eye to what occurs in their newsgroup? MCNGP members Meanoldman and Consultant would have you believe that they only insult braindumpers and keep the newsgroup clean. These guys proved in their replies to the young man and to me, that this is not true. I am one of the strongest advocates against braindumps out there, and they flamed me. There is no way these guys are keeping the newsgroup clean - these guys are polluting it. The topic above is not the only topic where these guys have ripped people apart. There have been several over the past couple of years, with the most recent being: 1. One thread where an individual was asking about starting a study group, and Consultant and Kline Sphere started a conversation in the thread about hookers and strippers and continued to go off topic from there. 2. One thread had an individual asking how to get their welcome kit, and Consultant chose to flame her. 3. One thread where an individual was asking how to backup files to a CD and Frisbee, a member of the MCNGP, made fun of dyslexic people, and then he and consultant proceeded to continue insulting dyslexic people. 4. One thread where an individual asked about MCSE career advice, and was given some rather rude advice of a sexual nature by Kline Sphere. 5. One thread where an individual was sick of the flaming threads and asked for serious discussion. Kline Sphere and Consultant continued to tear him apart with insults in what turned out to be a long thread. 6. One thread where an individual asked about Windows 2003 Server, and was slammed by the members of the MCNGP who continuously insulted her intelligence. And these are only a very small example of what is happening in that newsgroup. I scanned through to find you the first 6 I could find that had absolutely nothing to do with braindumps, but everything to do with the MCNGP's little racketeers going around and insulting people. As hard as I try I can't understand how Microsoft can allow this insanity to continue. They should be embarrassed at the mockery the MCNGP is making of their newsgroups, and be taking steps to rid the world of the MCNGP forever. However, after two years, this doesn't seem to be happening. In addition to a yahoo group, there is also an MCNGP website located here. One would wonder why these people would insult others for spelling mistakes, when they couldn't create an easily readable homepage. On their home page, the following are included in their proficiency requirements to become a member of the MCNGP: · Newsgroup Flaming · Making fun of those whose skill set is far beneath their own and those who ask dumb questions. I find it very sad that these people are proud of making fun of newbies, or those who have a different skill set then they do. Before you know it, they'll be shoving everybody who doesn't have the same skill set as they do to the back of the bus. On their "Past Lamers of the Week" page, they actually have the nerve to award their meaningless award to the MS Newsgroup Admins. These guys are getting gutsy, making fun of the people who work for Microsoft and oversee the newsgroup - and Microsoft seems to have turned a blind eye. What can be done about the MCNGP?? I for one plan to email Microsoft everyday about the condition about of this newsgroup, and the way the MCNGP is making them look bad. Surely they will then be able to see how ridiculous the MCNGP is making them look and will hopefully take the appropriate steps to rid the world of the MCNGP. The members of the MCNGP insist on acting like children in a professional newsgroup, and I think these uncivilized brats, who are worse vermin than sewer rats, deserve a good spanking. Hopefully Microsoft wakes up, reads their newsgroup, smells the coffee, and gives the MCNGP what they deserve.