IE 6 on Win 2K - IE will not display all links for users only - works for admins

I am running into an issue in a school computer lab where IE 6 will
not display links on one side of a webpage for students but it will
for me (admin).

Here is the page...

http://www.aliefisd.net

If you see on the left pane there are links there that are not showing
up for any student in this particular pc lab. Any ideas here?

 

Doesn't matter if it is the ancient IE6, or a very modern browser. The
problem remains.

Those of you with JavaScript enabled will see the menu.
Those of you with JavaScript DISabled will /not/ see the menu.

Personally, any web author who uses JavaScript for critical parts of a
site, like navigation, should read a good book. Since ~10% of surfers
have JavaScript disabled, or blocked by a corporate firewall, it's the
same as turning off the web server for a whole month every year.

This site's author also uses MS FrontPage, which is another sign of
amateurism.

Here is the JavaScript-generating menu file:
http://www.aliefisd.net/mainmenu_var.js

Now, that said, if you are letting these kids surf the web - probably
unsupervised - it is *good* to have JavaScript disabled, especially with
the insecure IE6. Get them better browsers, like Firefox or Opera.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
http://www.opera.com/

 

Not being on the PC you use logged in as a student or an admin, you
forgot to say what links may be missing.

There are 24 links from
Organizational Divisions
to
Wellness Program

Several expand to menus with what looks like a missing graphic (pointer
/ arrow) when not using IE, needs fixed.

Or do you mean there is just a big tan color block?

Do you teach using these same guessing methods?

Scripting can by blocked by Tools / Internet Options / Security /
<zone> / Scripting / Active Scripting - Disable , Enable , Prompt.

So you are blocking the js from running by a login policy? Assuming a
domain / policy changes the IE settings.

It's another bit of this horrible code
html xmlns:mso="urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:
the general code quality is fairly poor.


This is really bad
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; photos by Susan Castro

Try and avoid spaces in hfef (file names), the %20
<a href="Web%20Posting%20for%20Budgets.pdf">Budget Summary
as well as mixing case
<a href="SCHOOL%20BOARD%20ELECTION%20TIMELINE2007%20English.pdf"

Also if you want help try the be a bit more helpful and point out the
menus are all in

http://www.aliefisd.net/mainmenu_var.js

Menu2=new Array("Organizational
Divisions","administrative_services/personnel/administration.htm","",0,19,196);

Menu3=new Array("Alief Education
Foundation","http://aliefeducationfoundation.org","",0,19,196);

Menu4=new Array("Alumni News","alumni/alumni_news.htm","",0,19,196);

Menu5=new Array("Athletics","athletics/index.html","",0,19,196);


Me

 

Good advice...

But do you think the IE-is-only-browser-I-have-FrontPlague-user could do
that? <g>

 

No. Quite often (many years ago) providing aid to FP 97/98 - IE users,
things broke on pages that were ok in other browsers. A few times it
even worked on IE & Netscape on Unix.

Me

 

Yes all the students see there is a big tan color block with no links
whatsoever.

 

Checked tools-->internet options--> security etc... Looks like it is
enabled.

BTW...I didn't create the website.

 

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:19:13 -0700, houstonguy78 wrote:

I can see the links with IE Active Scripting - Enable , setting this to
Disable blocks the links simply by clicking refresh.

That's the FW set to (default)
Cookies - permit
Referrers - permit
External Active - permit
JavaScript - permit

As you are reaching the site via an external URL, you may need to add
the URL to the Internet Zone and set the security level for the zone.
Also could be set by a (domain) login policy for non admin accounts.

Change my FW to www.aliefisd.net JavaScript - block, the menu again
isn't there. Without doing any setting change to IE, only clicking
refresh.

Change to SeaMonkey , disable JavaScript, no menu while FW set to allow.
Enable JavaScript , click refresh menu is back.

You have to find what's blocking the JavaScript, the browser, proxy,
firewall , user login policy.

He He, many say that

Me

 

Actually I didn't create the website for the record. It's a school
district so go figure... This lab teacher is on my back about the
links missing and that's why I'm here. I could care less
personally...

Anyway, I did create a dummy student account and make that account a
local administrator on that machine...links worked. I put that
student back to a user account and it no longer worked.

We are not running a login policy on those machines. Thanks for your
help on this one.

 

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:34:56 -0700, houstonguy78 wrote:

Proxy? Assuming there is 1 what about it's logs. It it setting a policy
by usergroups admin / non-admin?

Okay do you as a student account not see any JavaScript demo pages?

http://www.kingston.ac.uk/~ku00597/JavaScript/Examples/watchMouse.html

In that Example, all my browsers allow JavaScript, but the firewall
alters the tags when JS blocked,


<!-- pt type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/dateUtilities.js"></scri-->
<!-- pt type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/docUtilities.js"></scri-->

from the working

<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/dateUtilities.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/docUtilities.js"></script>

Do you see any differences using View source when logged in with each
account?

Me

 

So it is now obvious to you that your student default profile (options)
block JavaScript. You should, in my opinion, not alter the student
profile as it is probably pretty secure, and keeps the students from
shooting themselves in the foot while using their insecure browser.

What you should do is complain to the author of the web site in
question, and tell them their web site has serious accessibility
problems. You should also tell the lab supervisor to install a modern
secure browser on all the PCs.

 

I'm new to this discussion groups thing so I'm not sure what you are
talking about by bottom posting. I'm just hitting reply and typing.
How should I be doing it?
There is a proxy server but it doesn't distinguish users from one
another. When I go to your sample site as a student, the eyes do not
follow the mouse but do under my admin account. I checked out the
source and under both accounts, I get this:

<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/dateUtilities.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
src="../Utilities/docUtilities.js"></script>

 

It's called Usenet, and these are Newsgroups. (This is not Google. You
are only using a Google web-based interface to Usenet.)

See what I am doing here? Replying after each point, which I have
separated. This is called Inline posting and is the most desirable way
when there is more than one point to address.

This page may clear up the issues:
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm

Once again, your students' profile/browser setup/whatever is *disabling*
the */execution/* of *JavaScript* in their browsers. You, as an admin,
do *not* have JavaScript disabled, and you can see the menu in the brown
box.

Did you read my response from about three hours ago?

 

It's a general Google Groper issue.

Read this recent thread
http://groups.google.com/group/24ho...y?+google+ntl+aol+new&rnum=1#fcbf3052ebb3cbfa
or the shorter
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3dpxj2

There is a more general free for all in some groups with regards to top
, bottom and inline posting. Inline is like the message. I have replied
to your comments below them and not crammed then all at the end of the
post.

See the link Beauregard posted.

Your reply is below all the previous text, and tends to be fewer lines.
This means you (not using <snip>) are including all the previous lines,
adding say 10 or 12 but making the reader down to the end 80/90 lines
just to read a few.

Get use to poster styles if there isn't a guide for the newsgriup. For
24HSHD you won't find one. However as most binary files and spammers
aren't welcome.

As expected.

Okay, so now you have removed all previous text about the test URL ,
difference in example. This takes your reply out of context.

Okay so it's not the proxy or a fw altering the code. It's a policy /
browser issue.

Try another browser Opera / FF/ SeaMonkey and try with the school site
or the demo.

That's about it, you have to speak to your IT department about the
account restriction setting.

Me