IBM Developer switching to MOSS / .NET 3.0 focus - need advice!

Discussion in 'MCSD' started by Guest, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I have all the highest level certifications in IBM and am an IBM Certified
    Advanced Developer in Lotus Notes as well as web/domino and javascript. We
    are looking at doing more projects in MOSS and .NET 3.0 and I would like to
    focus on a certification for this.

    However the only program out is for .NET 2.0, I was going to focus on the
    MCPD Web Developer. However will this be a total loss when the 3.0 tests
    come out? Will there be an upgrade for the MCPD to 3.0? I find it ironic
    that the training guides just came out within the last few months for MCPD in
    2.0 while we are already planning on using 3.0. Any advice?

    Also any tips or training programs you could recommend to help a Notes
    developer with 10+ years experience come up to speed in MOSS / VS.NET / etc
    would be greatly appreciated. I've done a little Java programming as well as
    a lot of web dev in HTML / DHTML / Javascript so I don't think the transition
    will be too bad especially since Lotuscript is syntax is 90% the same as
    Guest, Feb 10, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Thanks Howard. I am still a little confused though on the timing and the
    upgrade path for the 3.0 certifications.

    If I achieve my MCPD Web in .NET 2.0, can I assume it will be a single
    upgrade exam to the MCPD .NET 3.0?

    Do you know how far out the 3.0 exams are? Should I just wait for those if
    they are a couple months out? But then if I did the training materials are
    probably 6 months behind that seeing how the 2.0 training materials just came
    out a few months ago.
    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
  4. Guest

    Guest Guest

    so a couple of things...

    1) there's no "upgrade" story around .NET 3.0 because the planned .NET 3.0
    certifications will be Technology Specialist certifications - and you never
    upgrade those certifications - you simply attain additional ones.

    2) Tied into #1, conceptually, you're not receiving a MCPD in web for .NET
    2.0. You're receiving a MCPD in web.

    3) the .NET 3.0 exams are quite a bit further out than a couple of months.
    Therefore, I would suggest going ahead and pursuing the MCPD certification
    (which will include the Technology Specialist certifications on .NET 2.0).
    Hopefully, this answer will also answer your question about training material.

    Hope this helps,


    Howard Dierking
    Product Planner, Developer and Database Certifications
    Microsoft Learning
    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
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    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Howard -- thanks so much for the info.

    The below exams are exactly where I will be focusing in my role. So I
    noticed these are TS exams, will they 'count' towards an MCPD as well or are
    they stand alone separate from the MCPD Web?

    For example could you take one or both of these exams below and 70-547 (or
    similar to achieve an MCPD?

    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
  7. Guest

    Guest Guest

    70-541 and 70-542 are stand alone TS exams and do not count as credit towards
    MCPD : web. For that certification, you'll need 536, 528, and 547.
    Therefore, at the end of the day, if you passed all the exams we described,
    you would have 4 certifications:

    - MCTS : Web
    - MCPD : Web
    - MCTS : WSS
    - MCTS : MOSS

    Howard Dierking
    Product Planner, Developer and Database Certifications
    Microsoft Learning
    Guest, Feb 11, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Thanks for the info Howard.

    In that case I'm leaning towards not going for the MCPD right now and just
    focusing on the 3 MCTS's and seeing how the MCPD certification unfolds at a
    later date.

    I have to admit I'm quite perplexed why a MOSS 07 MTCS exam wouldn't also
    upgrade an MCPD Web certification to .NET 3.0.... since to pass that exam you
    need to have working knowledge of Windows WorkFlow Foundation which basically
    what I've heard is the main difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is WWF anyway.
    Seems very confusing to me and also seems like the MCPD Web .NET 2.0 cert is
    going to be one of the shortest lived certifications out there.
    Guest, Feb 12, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    To me, it sounds like the main problem is that we haven't done a good enough
    job yet explaining that the MCPD certification should not tie to a specific
    verison of a framework or technology. The professional certification should
    focus on experiential skills such as making tradeoffs in design - not on
    technological depth. With that foundation, we should be able to change the
    meaning of the certification by changing the requisite MCTS certifications.
    Since the MCPD certification requires recertification every 3 years, the
    "upgrade" path is always to simply obtain the new requisite MCTS
    certifications (and possibly take a new PRO exam if the design decisions have
    changed). By this definition, the MCPD certifications should be quite



    Howard Dierking
    Product Planner, Developer and Database Certifications
    Microsoft Learning
    Guest, Feb 12, 2007
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